Private promenades

what would one do in the private promenade apart from relaxing, having breakfast/lunch/dinner, reading and looking in the ocean? Were such services (dining etc.)provided in there? Just more courious: were these areas heated at all? I suspect it must have been rather cold at night! Thanks for your input!!!
 
The great thing about having a private promenade was that you could do whatever you wanted! Certainly meals could be brought there, but so could they be brought to any 1st Class passenger in their stateroom if requested. That was one of the many services available from the bedroom stewards, but since it was something of a departure from their normal duties they would generally get a much better than average tip at the end of the voyage is such service had been provided.

There were two electric heaters in each of the private promenade areas, somewhat larger than the standard models provided in the 1st Class staterooms.
 
Greetings, George, from a cold and wet UK!

On the Olympic (as built) those spaces formed part of the 'enclosed promenade' which ran along the full length of each side for use of (all) 1st Class passengers for most of its length, and 2nd Class at the after end.
 
JUST ANOTHER QUESTION: YOU PAID SO MUCH MONEY IN FIRST CLASS IN OLYMPIC AND IF YOU WERE IN B-DECK YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE SEEN BY STRANGERS IN THE PROMENADE OUTSIDE YOUR STATEROOM? COULD ONE BE "PROTECTED" AGAINST FOREIGN EYES? PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE MORE PRIVACY AND A BETTER VIEW OF THE OCEAN. THANKS ANYWAY ...
 
No need to shout, George, I'm not going deaf!
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Well, they didn't have television in those days, so taking a walk on B Deck was the next best thing. Seriously, if you had paid big money for one of the better suites then your windows had an inner sliding screen made of rippled 'cathedral glass', which admitted light but you can't see through it. The rest maybe had to rely on 'net' curtains. Mark Chirnside is the man who would know.
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Er...George...hit the Caps lock please. ALL CAPS is considered to be shouting on the 'net and I know you didn't mean to shout.

As to the private promanade, the access to same was either by way of the cabin or a set of double doors from the 1st Class Entrance on the Titanic. Shutting out prying eyes wouldn't be much of a problem.

On the Olympic, prying eyes could have been shut out by the simple expediant of closing the curtains or the rippled glass screen that Bob mentioned. That and the fact that if you were caught playing the Peeping Tom game, you would be subject to some very pointed questions from the hotel staff and almost certainly the Master-At-Arms, and unlike the hotel staff, the MAA wouldn't bother being polite about it.
 
Hi Bob,

Seriously, if you had paid big money for one of the better suites then your windows had an inner sliding screen made of rippled 'cathedral glass', which admitted light but you can't see through it. The rest maybe had to rely on 'net' curtains. Mark Chirnside is the man who would know.

Amidships, the B-deck staterooms or suites were fitted with 'vertical upward sliding windows made of teak' according to the Peskett report. These were modelled on Mauretania to an extent, and it's one of my 'favourite tales' as I discovered the extent of Bruce Ismay's involvement in this area: Cunard actually supplied drawings showing the working of Mauretania's windows to Harland & Wolff at Ismay's request, which struck me as an enormously cheeky request. I was surprised Cunard agreed to it, yet then again the tales of the cut-throat competition between companies sometimes overstate the case.

You're quite correct as regards the privacy issue: there was a mahogany jalousie and a 'cathedral glass vertical sliding window' fitted inside.

As regards the remainder of B-deck, such as the forward staterooms, it's frustrating as I am fairly sure I have these recorded at home. However, since my last university exam finished it's been one long drinking contest.
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I won't get a chance to look for at least a month as I am away from home. However, I entirely agree that passengers would not have been left at the mercy of prying eyes. I remember that the recent Cameron expedition posted an image of a privacy screen in one of the forward A-deck cabins, and my assumption at this stage would be to assume that these screens would have been used on Olympic in this area of A-deck as well as immediately beneath on B-deck.

I read an interesting rebuttal as to the profits on these suites. Apparently, around 1913 there had been concerns as to the profitability of reserving large areas of space to these enormous suites (such as the Kaiser suite on Imperator and the 'millionaires' suites on Titanic, or even Olympic's best 'parlour' suites). The concern was that if they were not filled, the companies would be forfitting a lot of passage money. However, in the event Imperator's (for instance) suites were booked every voyage in 1913 at a cost of (strictly from memory -- correct me if I am wrong) around $5,000 each. This equated to an enormous number of third, second or even first class bookings, and all from a group of perhaps as few as two super-rich people. While I can understand the suites amidships on B-deck remaining as they were, it's always been something of a puzzle to me as to why some promenade suites could not have been constructed forward of the grand staircase on B-deck in the late 1920s. After all, despite Titanic's and Britannic's arrangement, there was no law saying these suites had to be amidships. It's known that a number of entirely new suites were constructed on Olympic during this period, yet none had a private promenade or really resembled one of these 'millionaire suites.' One report stated that Olympic carried a record number of millionaires in 1928, as well as over 26,000 passengers, which makes me doubt that demand was not there -- as do her average first class passenger figures.

Best wishes,

Mark.
 
>>yet then again the tales of the cut-throat competition between companies sometimes overstate the case.<<

Well, it wasn't as if the shipping lines didn't co-operate on certain matters when they saw it in their best interests to do so. Especially when dealing with mutual cancers such as professional gamblers that they tended to share information on and even blacklist from passage on their ships. Still, it does come as something of a surprise to me that they would be willing to share design information on their fittings. I wonder what Cunard saw as an advantage on that?
 
All,

Just a small correction. Although it depended on the period style of the cabin, the majority of the "cathedral glass" windows were flat glass panes which were bfrosted and coloured, which still allowed light in but provided the privacy. All 1st class cabins which looked out onto the promenade had these frosted glass panels. Many of the C deck suites had these as well, but they were mainly for decorative purposes.

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It's surprising if frosted plate glass was used in staterooms. 'Cathedral glass' was the standard for domestic purposes because it cost very little more and didn't have a utilitarian 'toilet window' appearance. In case anyone is wondering, traditional 'cathedral glass' is made by a rolling process which delivers flat sheets but with an uneven, slightly rippled surface, so it is always translucent rather than transparent and doesn't need to be frosted. When used for privacy it's often coloured because otherwise it can be a little too transparent from outside if the room is brightly lit.

On the other hand, if the privacy screens were all of the type seen in Cameron's latest footage - with a decorative etched pattern or artwork rather than plain frosting - then the choice would be understandable, if rather costly.

Mark: I too have been on a continuous drinking spree since my last exams, which were in 1969.
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