QE2 CONVERSION IN DUBAI

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Ellen Grace Butland

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I would like to see her become a royal yacht, but I think the idea is a Floatel (Hotel). And if she looks outwardly more or less the same, and if her new owners keep some of her present rooms, and they look after her, she would have an honourable retirement, and a new career. Even if we, her many admirers, would rather see her continue as a ship, the fact is she is a 40 year-old ship and needs megabucks to refit to new SOLAS standards, weighs against that happening. Lets be a little positive, because we could be pleasantly surprised with what the new owners do. Because the alternative is her being ripped apart in Alang, and to me it was bad enough seeing the CANBERRA chopped up there.
 
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Also, I can't believe she is 40 years old. That's a really good innings for a ship, most get the chop after about 25-30 years (and the ship that this site honours did not get 40 DAYS, let alone weeks if not years) I can remember the first visit she made to Auckland after her engine refit and me just having my breath taken away when I saw that new funnel. I thought I wouldn't like it, but when I saw it I thought it made her look absolutely powerful. There are very few ships that have mana, te mauri ora, she is one of the few. Mana = presence, power, courage, authority: this Moari word has no equivalent English word that is translatable in one word. Te mauri ora = lifeforce (soul) a spiritual presence of a place, person or object. Enough said.
 
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Ellen Grace Butland

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Probably not. however, I'm not sure. As a floatel (how I hate this term) the SOLAS rules would (I think) be irrelevant. At present she is in the Red Sea, according to her webcam.
 
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The QE2 is a privately owned ship and always has been. In this instance, title has transferred from the stockholders of Carnival/Cunard to the concern in Dubai.

As long as the QE2 is capable of movement under her own power and is actually used in trade, SOLAS applies. When she becomes a static exhibit, they no longer apply, though the codes and laws which apply to buildings do.
 
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I thought that might be the case, Fire and other building rules, but as she is still afloat (I guess they don't plan to encase her in concrete - I mean the hull in concrete) I hope they know things about metrocentric height etc. Because if you remove engines, and build multi-millionaire suites high up, don't you compromise the hull's stability. BTW, I looked at Dubai on the Satellite maps and there are THREE palm tree resorts sticking out from the coast, and they are HUGE. Anyone with this sort of money could afford to do QE2 up to SOLAS regulations as a private yacht! I hear they paid $100 million (NZ) approximately US$50 mill. No wonder Carnival are hugging themselves with glee.
 
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>>but as she is still afloat...<<

So is the Queen Mary even if some of us are wondering how they've managed to keep her from sinking at the quaywall. Since she was completely immobilized from the gitgo, she was legally considered a building for purposes of code compliance.

>>Because if you remove engines, and build multi-millionaire suites high up, don't you compromise the hull's stability.<<

You effect every aspect of the ship's stability when you make alterations as extensive as that. Just removing the engines and leaving a big empty room in their place is enough to raise the centre of gravity to an uncomfortably high level.
 
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Hmmm, I thought as much. Also I am surprised the Queen Mary has survived so long without rolling over a la Normandie. Is she connected to the land by a large gangway. The pics of QE2 at Dubai (artists renditions of how she might look) suggest permanent gangways. We shall surely see.
 
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>>Also I am surprised the Queen Mary has survived so long without rolling over a la Normandie.<<

Different problems here. The Queen Mary is not so unstable that being permanently in harbour is much of a problem. Were the ship to be removed for whatever reason, she would have to be signifigently ballested sown for safe towing but since she's not going anywhere, it's just not an issue.

The Normandie rolled over because the firefighting people continued to pour water into the burning upperworks of the vessel, without opening the side doors to let it all out as the remaing crew and the naval authorities said they should. Stupidity on the part of a shipfitter with a cutting torch started the fire, bull headed ignorance on the part of the fire department put her on her side and on the bottom.
 
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Ellen Grace Butland

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I knew the casino would go, I thought the Dubai owners might have a mosque aboard. Apartments aboard? I wait and wonder. Meantime, I must log off, my server says I've gone way beyond my hours and they will soon start charging me extra.Because I have been watching all the farewells and voyages people have posted on the web. Thankyou people for sharing your films and photos.
 
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From Cruise Critic:

QE2 Reaches Last Day as Cruise Ship
R.I.P. September 20, 1967 - November 26, 2008
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Joined by a flotilla of yachts, QE2 sailed into Dubai today to disembark a full load of some 1,700 cruise passengers for the last time.

Here now in the United Arab Emirates, the classic ocean liner will move into phase two of its 40-plus-year life (or phase three if you count the ship's stint as a troop transport vessel during the Falklands War). QE2 will be transformed into a floating luxury hotel and entertainment complex situated on the right trunk of the manmade Palm Jumeirah in Dubai, an enormous multi-branched island shaped like a tree.
Full story at http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=2955
 

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That doesn't look like a good angle for that A380. I think I would rather be on the QE2 in that picture!
 
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>>That doesn't look like a good angle for that A380.<<

I think you'll find that the A380 was actually banking off to the right. If the pilot had attempted to barrel roll that beast, his career with the airline would have been cut very short in a newsworthy way, if the aircraft even survived the stunt.

Pretty convincing illusion however.
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From AME Info:

Cunard and Nakheel flags exchanged as QE2 settles into her new home in Dubai
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QE2, the world's most beloved ocean liner which arrived to a unforgettable welcome in Dubai and has officially started the next phase of her distinguished career.

The flag changing ceremony was the final chapter in QE2's epic journey to Dubai which will be her new home for the next half a century or more. QE2 will undergo a transformation before becoming a centre of culture and luxury on the Palm Jumeirah.
Full story at http://www.ameinfo.com/177250.html

NOTE: A much better photo of the A380 flypast can be viewed at http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/11/27/319467/picture-a380-flypast-marks-qe2s-arrival-in-dubai.html
 
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Ellen Grace Butland

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Many thanks for these links, maybe the anchor will be displayed near the qe2 terminal when it is returned to Southampton. A sort of memorial to a great ship.