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James Hill

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in Robert Ballerds TITANIC AN ILLUSTRATED HISTORY it says that the ones pulled from the sea were William F Hoyt,steward Jack Stewart,a chinise passenger and bath attendant Harold Phillmore.i dont know who to belive here or the book tell me what you think by e-mailing me at [email protected] oh and the boat im talking about is 14
 
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Yan V Ivania

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All of it is really confusing. THere are no doubts about Hoyt and Lang ( Chinese passenger) but with stewards there is an issue. Half of the books say Stewart and the other half say Phillomore. Could be both. THere were also ten firemen that i cannot account for the boat, could be one of them. I do however remember reading a book where some witness in boat 14 describes alledged fourth person. I don't remember the book but it was written by some guy from Hungary.
 
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John Stewart was, according to fellow steward Samuel Rule, saved in boat 15. Also, in a television interview in the 1990s, his family stated he left in a lifeboat. Those who picked up by No. 14 were:
1)William Hoyt (who died)
2)A Chinese third class passenger
3)Steward Harold Phillimore

There might have been a fourth person saved but it is not known who.

Peter
 

Tad G. Fitch

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I agree with Peter that Steward John Stewart was probably rescued in Lifeboat # 15. He was specifically recognized and mentioned by fellow Steward Samuel Rule in his British Inquiry testimony. As Peter indicated, later information from Steward's family also indicates that Stewart left in a lifeboat rather than being pulled from the water as was claimed in the press.

It was mentioned in the inquiries by Able-Bodied Seaman Evans that he recognized a "steward, young Stewart" who was pulled from the water into Lifeboat # 14. I believe this to be a case of mistaken identity, or that Evans said that a "young steward" was pulled from the water and that the American's questioning him simply misunderstood his accent. Steward Harold Phillimore was fairly young (23) and was one of those we know to have been rescued in # 14, so perhaps this is who he was referring to? This is all speculation. We have two different sources (one possibly mistaken) in the inquiries giving totally different explanations of how Stewart was rescued. We cannot be certain.

In any case, if Jack Stewart was rescued in a lifeboat rather than being pulled from the water, I find his story of Thomas Andrews last being seen staring at the painting in the Smoking Lounge to be somewhat dubious. It is a powerful image, but if Stewart actually did see him there *and* left in Lifeboat # 15, then the sighting had to have been prior to the time the lifeboat left, approximately at or around 1:32 AM, nearly 48 minutes before the ship sank.
 

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John Stewart was, according to fellow steward Samuel Rule, saved in boat 15. Also, in a television interview in the 1990s, his family stated he left in a lifeboat. Those who picked up by No. 14 were:
1)William Hoyt (who died)
2)A Chinese third class passenger
3)Steward Harold Phillimore

There might have been a fourth person saved but it is not known who.

Peter

Actually I think it is. The fourth person to be picked up (and he too did survive) was second class passenger Mr. Emilio I. G. Portaluppi. In his ET biography it is stated that he swam till daybreak before being picked up by lifeboat number 14. Further evidence is provided under his biography which you can find here. Emilio Ilario Giuseppe Portaluppi : Titanic Survivor
 

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