Cam Houseman
Member
there was an expedition to get it in Spring 2020, but it was delayed due to the Corona Virus.
JJAstorII
Member
I'm aware I might be in the minority, but I say get it. I've heard the new attempted launch will be in August of 2021 due to the Corona as you mentioned. Personally, I feel if I were a victim of the ship I would want people to learn from the history as long as possible vs letting it decompose to the sand. I say bring up whatever you can for restoration and safe keeping.
Keith Peterson
Member
I Also say get it. It would be a valuable piece of the story, and it will add to the visual history.
Steven Christian
Member
If they make it back and they are able to get it I say go for it. It would probably make Parks a happy guy. I'll confess my attitude on the artifacts debate has changed many times over the years. But I think time is going to settle that question one way or the other. Either it will collapse and bury everything or it might collapse in a matter that it opens areas up for access. But from the pictures I've seen its going to take a lot of restoration as it all looks corroded and broken to me. And those pictures are fairly old now. But with enough time and money you can restore pretty much anything. Restoration is a hobby of mine so I kind of know what it takes. I just hope if they do they label it as such that it was restored.
Seumas
Member
I'd rather they didn't touch the ship but instead go after and recover the big box of detonators (last touched by Boxhall, Bright & Rowe) which is lying the debris field instead.
Cam Houseman
Member
I agree
I don't think salvage from within the hull is good, but how long before its all gone, and we say, "wow, we should've saved that when we had the chance." we'll be looking real silly
Cam Houseman
Member
Parks would be fanboying LOL
Mike Spooner
Member
If they ever recover the Marconi Transmitter, I think the most appropriate place for the item is at Jack Phillips Memorial Park Cloister in Godalming Surrey. 
Steven Christian
Member
That might not be a bad idea but I don't know how many people would get to see it. The whole debris field vrs the ship argument really doesn't make sense to me anymore. It's all one disaster site. What's good for one area should be good for the whole site. It's kind of like saying at the Battle of Gettysburg site its not ok to pick up muskets balls at Picket's charge area but it 's ok to pick them up at Chamberlain's Little Round Top stand. I don't know if that's a good analogy but it seems to be to me at least. Cheers.
Mike Spooner
Member
That is why I use the word: If they ever recover! O though if recovered I can see very high bidding price war breaking out will take place.
Godalming has another hidden treasure where in the museum book by a appointment only, where can see the large black and white photo albums of that palatial splendid mansion once name Lee Park and change to Witley Park. Where only the finest will do and fast sum of money spent on the 700 areas property. Regard at the time the most expensive mansion built in Surrey. Huge manmade lakes with a glass ballroom dome 40 feet deep in the lake. Running costs of 100 staff to run. Where no less than Lord William Pirrie the company chairman of Harland and Wolff shipyard brought the property two months after laying down the kneel for Titanic May 1909. Pirrie would just carry spending more money like there is no to morrow. Telling the locals himself he deign the Titanic single handed! Perrie was all about pomp and glory and with his splendid 11 bedroom house in London, who want to live a dump of place like Belfast!
Seumas
Member
The problem for me is that it is setting a precedent with regard to cutting into the wreck.
Now for the record as much as I disagree with what they are planning, I do nonetheless appreciate that those behind this are not acting for commercial gain. However, my worry is that in years to come others may want to cut further into the ship and will not have such pure motives.
Also, there just didn't seem to be all that much there when they sent the ROV in back in 2001. A lot of what was left looked like it was firmly attached to the walls and would not come away easily.
Still it's their money that's on the line and not mine. If they make a mess of it then they will just have to take it on the chin.
There is also no guarantee that this will be a success. Allow me take you back to those much loved mid-nineties Discovery Channel documentaries on the wreck. Remember the first attempt to raise "the big piece" where they underestimated it's weight and the cables snapped half way up ?
Maybe it's because I'm a bad, bad man but I couldn't help but laugh as it became increasingly clear that the expedition leaders had not done their homework properly, the cable was giving way and the captain of the salvage ship was clearly angry at them.
To end on a more positive note, the debris field has always been fair game in my view. Get that box of detonators up ! That's an amazing artefact that should be brought up.
If they are brought up they will go to the USA and will stay in the USA.
What ?
Mike Spooner
Member
If they are brought up they will go to the USA and will stay in the USA. Moore like go where the money is! Would it surprise me if it wasn't the Chinese to!
Let me clear of Perrie comment I made. I have visit Belfast and is not a dump. Its a figure of speak of the past. Certainty Belfast was a heavy industrial city probably no worse than other city's in the UK in the past. Dirty filthy black smoke chimneys pushing out pollution and noise. As for the luxury living style Perrie in the serene country side away from from the pollution and noise. 40 minute train journey to his luxury house in London and to see the top theatre shows was a far cry from the polluted cities and included London to. But he had that escape to his luxury mansion in Surrey and England would become his residential homes. Leaving his poor old brother-in-law Alexander Carlisle in charge of the shipyard and the problems for him to sort out for himself, whilst Perrie and his dear wife Eliza was living in the land of luxury indeed.
Let me clear of Perrie comment I made. I have visit Belfast and is not a dump. Its a figure of speak of the past. Certainty Belfast was a heavy industrial city probably no worse than other city's in the UK in the past. Dirty filthy black smoke chimneys pushing out pollution and noise. As for the luxury living style Perrie in the serene country side away from from the pollution and noise. 40 minute train journey to his luxury house in London and to see the top theatre shows was a far cry from the polluted cities and included London to. But he had that escape to his luxury mansion in Surrey and England would become his residential homes. Leaving his poor old brother-in-law Alexander Carlisle in charge of the shipyard and the problems for him to sort out for himself, whilst Perrie and his dear wife Eliza was living in the land of luxury indeed.
Cam Houseman
Member
isn't the big piece in Las Vegas or something?
anyway, yeah, we should some stuff before its too late. like I said, we'll be looking real silly when she's gone and all the artifacts..
anyway, yeah, we should some stuff before its too late. like I said, we'll be looking real silly when she's gone and all the artifacts..
Seumas
Member
Parks Stephenson and co (who are the ones behind all this) have been clear that if they do recover anything it won't be going up for auction.
Although I don't support what they are planning to do, I recognise that commercial gain is not something they are out for.
Regarding Pirrie.
His Belfast residence was not situated in the industrial areas of Belfast as you put it with where there was "dirty filthy black smoke chimneys pushing out pollution and noise."
Ormiston House, Strandtown, Belfast was quite removed from all that. It's set amid a quiet, secluded, leafy area.
It's a huge building and it's still there.
I doubt that Alexander Carlisle complained seeing as how he had own luxury townhouse in London's Lancaster Gate and a country house in rural Berkshire.
Steven Christian
Member
It was the last time I went to the exhibit. But that was when it was at the Rio before they moved the exhibit to the Luxor. They were moving artifacts around to different places but that might be permanent in Vegas now given its size. Probably should go again as it's only an hour away now with the new road.
As for Belfast I've only been there a couple of times. Liked it both times as no hassles and everybody I met there was friendly. It's not a resort town by no means but that's ok. Never cared for those anyway. I would go back there anytime. London on the other hand you can keep.
P.S. I understand what people say about cutting into the wreck. I get it and don't fault that position at all. Only thing is that nature is already doing it.
