Recovery of more Titanic items


I agree that the majority of the ship should be left alone, but do agree with Parks Stephenson's view's that items of historical value should be saved if at all possible. (The marconi room equipment and the glass etched window that was shown in the most recent dives being just a few examples)
Everyday items should not be touched imho but rare and one of a kind items that could be destroyed should be brought up if possible.
Just my thoughts.....
 

msalazar

Member
I have long been fascinated by the image of the bathtub marking Captain Smith's quarters. Does anyone know if there are any plans to salvage it, or if its simply not possible? I am thinking it is probably cast iron, so even if it were enamel coated, both interior and exterior, it is still likely too fragile from oxidation and might not survive any salvage attempt, even if the weight were not an issue. I would much appreciate anyone sharing with me the name of the plumbing fixture vendor who supplied Harland & Wollf and the year of manufacture on that bathtub. (1910?) There were surely hundreds, if not thousands made of the same model, or there may be modern day replicas for the vintage restoration trade. Anyone who may know, please share.
 

PRR5406

Member
I have no problem with searching for, and recovering, any significant item which went down with the ship, and is notable for its loss. While I don't wish the ship broken up further in the recovery attempts, I know it will eventually collapse on its own, although probably long after we are all dead. Yes, people died aboard and inside the wreck, but do they really care about being disturbed?
Perhaps what bothers me far more, is the sale of recovered pieces, other than the ubiquitous coal.
 

Aaron_2016

Former Member
I can understand the recovery of items if they hold significant historical importance, but a stack of plates or a broken doorknob is still just a stack of plates and a broken doorknob. As survivor Eva Hart once said, the loss of a single life was worth more than the whole ship. Eventually when the wreck collapses her contents will be salvaged. I just hope the next expedition team doesn't accelerate her collapse on purpose so that her contents can be raised and sold at their own convenience, instead of waiting for nature to take her course.


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davey

Member
>>To say that the members on here were upset once this was known about, is an understatement.<<

The court which is overseeing RMSTI's activities weren't thrilled with it either. They said something in legalese which translated meant: "Don't even *think* about it."

Really, if somebody wants to try and locate whatever's left of the Renault, all they need to do is send an ROV down that wide open hatch and just take photos. It worked for Jim Cameron and is a lot safer then having at it with sharp objects and cutting torches.


cutting torches wont work at that deph
 

PRR5406

Member
An item like the Morse key itself would be worthy of recovery. I have a problem with doing "beneficial demo" on the wreck to recovery almost anything. There is, in my opinion, a qualified argument to recovery of said items before they are smashed or ground into the ocean floor for eternity. "Titanic" is not just another wreck from WW2, or a liner lost in transit of the Atlantic. On the world, at the time of the event, this particular ship had all the impact of the Kennedy assassination, the "Challenger", 9/11. It was not possible, nor was it even considered probable. Taking the story and circumstances of a impossibly wealthy and impossibly impoverished all loaded into one stratified boat, and the stakes go higher. The story is bigger than the ship, the ship is bigger than the time in which it sailed.
Archaeology does have techniques for respectful recovery, but at a depth of almost three miles? This is questionable. Are the Morse transmitter and keys worse destruction of the ship? Probably not. If the argument was recovery of the fixtures in a first class bedroom, removal of Captain Smith's personal belongings, I doubt the argument would pass muster.
I want to see a plan that treats the ship wreckage respectfully. I'd prefer complete recovery of the whole radio room and all the contents and walls. That's a reconstruction with which I could endorse.
 

TimTurner

Member
While I think Titanic, individually, is of more historical significance than any random individual shipwreck, I wouldn't demote the people who died onboard other ships.

As far as recovery goes, there are two very important considerations:
1. The wreck is collapsing, planned demolition or no. In a few decades Titanic wont be there to be explored and the tons of collapsing decks will take many of the artifacts with her.
2. Harvesting is going on, whether or not it's officially allowed. So it's more a question of whether Captain Smith's bathtub will end up in a museum, or some millionaire's penthouse bathroom.
 
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Jaden Maxwell

Guest
They mentioned the recovery of the wireless room equipment on TV yesterday on a British talk show called 'Loose women'. Some of the panel approved it, and the rest did not. They had one host who said it was like a black box from a plane and that it should be recovered because it could help historians discover new information about what happened. This was nonesense. She compared a plane's black box with an old rusted piece of metal and told the audience (possibly convincing many) that it holds significant information inside and should be recovered. It is just another trophy that will be paraded in museums like a travelling circus display. 'Step right up and see this rusted junk. Tickets please....Tickets please.'
 

PRR5406

Member
My point is, taken as a whole - I am referring to the complete contents of what was the radio shack- it is a more worthwhile recovery. It then gives voice to the wireless operator's last two hours on the greatest doomed ship of all time. No matter if the items appear rusted today, professional conservators will bring fragments back to life. The Morse keys are the really critical items in the mess, and those items alone would make the recovery of everything in that area worthwhile. Picking it apart for "goodies" makes no sense to me.
 

davey

Member
Not only that, but it's also immorally wrong. RMSTI proposed this very such thing five years ago. They wanted to rip open the bow and retrieve the Rubiayat, and also to see if they could locate William Carter's Renault in the forward cargo hold.​
To say that the members on here were upset once this was known about, is an understatement.​
i think all that will be left of the renault will be rust .the brass parts maybe there
 
I was surfing news stories today and ran across this. It had to do partially with cargo hold in the stern section. I found it interesting because if I had read about the book before I don't remember it ( Omar Khayyam’s Rubaiyyat). There are various threads on this site that cover it. I'm not into poetry but from what I gathered it is a well regarded work.
 
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