Reincarnated souls of Titanic victims

[Paul Rogers]

Hey! I'm not the one that added in the animals... And what's this Rolf says: "I have experience with this." Physician - heal thyself! Then come and analyse me!

Thank you Michael for the offer of the black cat. However, there's no point in sending him - even if I wanted to, I couldn't get access to the necessary goat, because of the damn foot 'n' mouth disease.

As for pictures - trust me on this: You wouldn't want to see them! (Have I mentioned that the last time I sunbathed on the beach, a group of children tried to roll me back into the sea? They kept calling me "Willy" too...)

Shelley - if I read your post right, I'd agree that there's just as many hypocrites outside of Church, as inside. I'm probably one (if I'm being honest). I can guarantee that when I'm really in deep poo, that's when I end up asking God for a bit of help. When things are going well - I always seem too busy to chat to Him.

I agree about the religious topic re Titanic. It would be a fascinating paper to read.

Regards,
Paul.

 

[Michael H. Standart]

HI Paul.

Willy huh? Well, if it's really that much of a problem, you could always try the Dr. Jack Kavorkian Weight Loss Program. Weight loss is absolutely gauranteed, but I'm a little nervous about the side effects.

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart

 

[Rolf Vonk]

Hey there,

What was the name of that French cook with it's weight loss program? Was it montegnac or something. Whatever, it sounded like cognac. I'm not sure anymore about that Freudian session. I submitted it to myself this whole morning, but there seems nothing to discover...

Shelley: very intersting about those religions aboard Titanic. I'm interested in it. I guess that the number of religious people was bigger in second and third class. Third class should have had a great number of different Christians. On the first eye one could see Catholic Irish, Maronite Syrians (not sure cause there are very much different Christians in those regions), Armenian Turks and protestant Scandinavians. I think these people were very religious as wasn't strange in those days. I'm pretty sure that also the Catholic Belgians were very religious, cause in 1912 religion had it's top days in these Catholic southern parts of the low countries. According to the memories of Julius Sap (a Belgian passenger) he and most of his fellow Belgians were on the stern during the sinking. Mrs van der Plancke called with her bright voice that they needed to pray to the Lord and that he would wake over them even when they died or something in that way. However Miss van der Plancke didn't thought at praying and was screeming and crying...

Any thoughts?

Regards,
Rolf

 

[Shelley Dziedzic]

Not to make any sweeping generalizations, it is often observed that those of the poorer or socially challenged strata have MORE to pray for and about and are more vocal and visible with their faith! If there is a grain of truth in that, the situation aboard Titanic would certainly support the theory. Not in all cases, but certainly in a great many, among the First Class, restraint and a kind of cool dignified stiff upper lip mentality is much in evidence- anyone who is an Anglican (Episcopalian) and I speak from experience (!) will observe a formal ritual and not a great deal of fervent display whilst practicing their brand of religion! (there are nowdays some evangelical and charismatic types though. Any nuns aboard Titanic?

 

[Geoff Whitfield]

Nun as far as I'm aware!

 

[Michael H. Standart]

No nuns that I'm aware of but I know of two who eventually took the veil. Specifically, Annie Kate Kelly who became Sister Patrick Joseph of the Dominican order and who taught school in Chicago (I'll bet none of the students made the mistake of honking this lady off twice!) and Ellen Mockler who became Sister Mary Patricia.

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart

 

[Paul Rogers]

Rolf,

Quote: "I'm pretty sure that also the Catholic Belgians were very religious, cause in 1912 religion had it's top days in these Catholic southern parts of the low countries."

I can confirm that Catholisism was still very important in Belgium up to the '50's at least. My mother is a Belgian Catholic and, when she married my father (a Protestant) in 1946, she was excommunicated.

In addition, many of her Catholic friends simply stopped talking to her from that point onwards. To them, she was officially a non-person.

Regards,
Paul "Beach Ball" Rogers

 

[Rolf Vonk]

Paul, what you said is true. I'm not living far from the Belgian boarder and the southern parts of the Netherlands have very much in common with Belgium. Not only the spoken Dutch dialect (I speak Brabants as in the whole middle part of Belgium) and the religion: Catholic. Till in the late sixties the churches were overfull. It was a deep shame when you didn't went to church as a catholic. The story of your parents is very special. I haven't heard much of religious mixed weddings from that era. There were protestants in my area (as a result of the oppression by the Hollanders till 1850), but they were a very, very small community. In Belgium there were even more less Protestants (one of the main reason for the Belgians to leave the United Netherlands in 1815 was their Catholic religion). So I understand the serious of your story. However it is really terrible that people can behave if you are a non-person and that when the only difference is religion.

Maybe an interesting point to investigate if there were religious mixed couples aboard Titanic.

Regards,
Rolf

 

[Hildur Panula-Heinonen]

My grandma Magda, thought i was reincarnated with my lost g-g-g- grandfather Eino Viljami Panula, because i was dead afraid of large ships, and water, which was strange because we are surrounded by water in Finland. Also when i was younger i spoke with a Yliharmaa accent and not with a Helsinki accent like the rest of my family which was very strange. I would scream odd things when i was sleeping and i had nightmares of drowning on a large ship and things i would say would be very different from the dialect there. I went to a dream therapy and i was found to be living in my dreams through someone else, and we have liked it with Eino, because i would describe things about the ship that no toddler would know about today, and i had never seen or heard of the ship before then.

 

[Jane E. Pearce]

Interesting comment from Hildur. When I was 8 yrs. old I came across a book about the Titanic and the people who were lost. I was always afraid of water and never learned to swim. It is weird as they say that the average time to reincarnate is 15 years. Well I was born in 1927. I have always felt I was there and went down with the ship. We were talking about it and in saying something I suddenly blurted out,
"the water was so cold." I do have an affinity for that ship. Does anyone else have the same feeling?

 

[Hildur Panula-Heinonen]

Yes. I remember at just random times blurting things out like that. I remember several times if i was watching a movie that involved a ship in water, i always remember getting freezing cold, right through to my bones.

 

[Grant Woollacott]

I think that past lives and reincarnation is totally true. I wont try and change anyone elses belief systems but thats what i think. I happen to know a woman who does past life readings for a living. She said that when many people have a die hard interest or fear it could be past life related. people on this board have a huge encyclopedia like interest in the Titanic and its possible many of us could have been on the ship in another lifetime. I for one have been told in readings and other things alike that i was on the Titanic in another life. When i first saw the movie as a young child i started to scream and feel like i was freezing to death. I would have dreams about dying on a ship with my family all before my Titanic research. I only learned to swim last year and when i went to swimming classes as a younger child i would cry and say the suction would bring me under. When talking to my friend who has studied past lives these are all good indications of a past life on Titanic or another sunken ocean liner. I have read that before new things fill a very young childs mind they will talk about their past lives. I used to say as a very young child that i died on an ocean liner and i told my family what my name was but im not going to share that publicly because the name i said would spark an unfriendly argument on this forum. I would have the same feelings Hildur and Jane are talking about. The feeling of freezing to the bone. If anyone would like to ask me more about this please feel free to send a private message.

 

[Julie Dowen]

Watch Unsolved Mysteries if you want to see what I believe is proof about reincarnation and past lives. As mentioned above, a segment noted that children's pure innocence allows them to feel and express (or recall) these feelings of past lives. One kid hated his knee being touched and under hypnosis it was brought up that he had been in some joust during medieval times and hit in that knee with a spiked metal ball. That is not the kicker though. They had one guy deathly claustrophobic and afraid of water. Under hypnosis he named his name, rank and serial number (all later verified) of a soldier dying under attack, trapped undersea in Pearl Harbor. It gives me chills to think about. On a personal note, I used to go in my grandmothers room as a very young child where their was a photo of her father. I used to recall stories about him like I knew him and my Grandmother would say that is impossible because he died before I was born. Was it?

 

[Grant Woollacott]

Julie i know which episode your talking about. I don't think its impossible that you recalled your Great Grandfather. My belief after looking into this subject for some time is that we choose who we are reincarnated from and our souls usually "Hang Out" with the same people.

 

[Michael H. Standart]

In light of just how nasty some of the reincarnation debates have been around here, perhaps it would be best to table this discussion.

Permanently.

If you wish to keep on with it anyway, please tread lightly.