Replica to be built in Liverpool

Are museums dying out in Britain? I read recently that, with the cancelling of entry charges, museums were experiencing a considerable revival of visitors, albeit mainly the Natural History and Science Museums in London, which are very large and famous.

However, I think you may well be right about a Titanic2 and Gillhooley's idea. Not a long-term money-spinner, so a non-starter basically.

So, I think we have to rely on imagination, or otherwise wait for time-travel. Which doesn't seem very likely, given that we have no time-travellers interrupting our everyday lives, coming back to poke around in the 21st century. Shame, really.
There were so many ideas for building a Titanic replica in the passed years and no plan was even started. I generally do not believe that any of these ideas will become true. The last project I had heard about was this one:
It was scheduled for being ready this year, but first (and last!) news about that project are dated from Feb 2002, the date of the announcement. Does anybody know anything about some progress?

To say it with Michael: "I'll believe it when I see it" - and I mean a finished work.

Best regards

P.S.: This little replica dream indeed became true: (adress without "www")
Henning, the absolute *lack* of news and progress in this case speaks volumns for every single one of these schemes. If there was a for real, completed and operational ship in the water, the news media would be all over it like a dirty nappy on a baby's butt.

This project in the link you posted might very well be happening, but take note of this excerpt from the article: "The popularity of the 1997 film Titanic was the inspiration for the planned concrete and steel model of the 269-metre ship, Concord vice-president Guan Zhaoqiang said." In other words, what they're building is a static and very superficial dummy. Not even close to being an operational vessel...though some of the shops might be interesting.
I suspect the Liverpool project might have been inspired by the film set built there recently for the documentary about the building of Titanic. I believe parts of it were quite impressive.
Michael, you are absolutely right, it would be a dummy - but a "replica" in the sense of a 1:1 shape. I think I wouldn't travel from Germany to Shanghai to buy some socks in a Titanic shaped mall center...

Dave, you said, "parts of it were quite impressive". I generally appreciate realising replicas of smaller areas like the bridge, single cabins, maybe the reception etc. All fine within an exhibition concept.

But a complete replica would always breathe the air of the 21th century. Exaggeratingly spoken: a single old postcard or Marconigram tells me more than a whole new ship.

I expect that there will never be a replica on the water - who has left hundreds of millions to fulfill a dream of some enthusiasts?

And another point: before thinking about a new Titanic - it seems even a hard job to save the old Nomadic.

>>And another point: before thinking about a new Titanic - it seems even a hard job to save the old Nomadic.<<

A very well made point. This plucky little ship isn't a replica, a movie prop, or a shopping centre. It's the real McCoy with some very real and tangible links to the actual history. Despite that, the smart money is that she'll end up as razor blades.
Forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn here but having read these posts I'm wondering how many of the people who have posted their opinions are English from the North West of England.

I only live 10 miles from Liverpool so I'm fairly familiar with the area. Being European Capital of Culture in 2008 is a big thing for the city and with Manchester hosting the last Commonwealth Games which were a huge success, they have to come up with something bigger and better to outdo their neighbouring city.

Believe me the rivalry between the 2 cities is huge and as the only things they have to boast about at the moment are The Beatles and their football clubs (that's soccer to the Americans among you) they need something more 'cultural' and to their way of thinking a replica of the Titanic would fit that bill.

I don't want to question your maths, and it's too late at night for me to work it out for myself, but you have to consider that the Lottery money would not have to be repaid and the very fact that they are going to be European Capital of Culture will generate an enormous amount of income for them.

That's not to mention the very large number of visitors they will attract and whether we think it's tacky or not, a LOT of people will be attracted to it. It will probably pay for itself a lot sooner than you project.

Liverpool recently renovated the Albert Dock area and made a huge success of that so who's to say they can't do same with the Titanic.

If this plan does come off I'll be sure to pay it a visit and take some pictures for you all to see.


>>Forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn here but having read these posts I'm wondering how many of the people who have posted their opinions are English from the North West of England.<<

Can't say as it really matters much. What's at issue is the phenomonal expense in the construction of any ship and then keeping the venture solvant once you have an operational hull in the water. Investors expect a return on the money they risk in any business venture, and ships are very big money, labour, time, and maintainance intensive businesses.

>>Liverpool recently renovated the Albert Dock area and made a huge success of that so who's to say they can't do same with the Titanic.<<

Try any number of banks who have been offered a prospectus along with applications for loans, who have then done quite a bit of market research only to find that a Titanic replica would be a money losing scheme. That's why loan applications have been turned down and the reason you don't see anything crossing the Atlantic with four funnels today. Fare paying passengers expect professional entertainment, casinos, stage productions, cinemas with the latest flicks, shops, somebody to arrange tours, and even internet access. This is something that a *faithful* replica of the ship simply couldn't offer. Nor could any such vessel offer the much higher standard of accomadation expected by even those traveling at economy rates.

Wanna make a museum of the ship? Good luck! As many floating museums out there whch have failed which features vessels of real historical interest, the management of any such venture would have quite a time breaking even.

Understand that I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade but the hard and brutal realities of economics are what they are. If the market really wanted a Titanic replica, somebody would have made it happen by now.

They haven't.
I think it was quite a few years ago that something about a replica was written about in a Cruise Travel magazine. Nothing ever came of it and it doesn't surprise me. This is very old hat.

But don't think I want this to happen. I'm not really interested in the idea. It's nothing new. I don't really think it's tasteful. It would be about as tasteful as all that stuff they made the characters of "Raise the Titanic" do, this cheesy circus of cruddy souvenir shops selling plastic Titanic models and there would be weddings scheduled on the Grand Staircase. I imagine that the Turkish Bath would be transformed into this ridiculous spa that had treatments like "First class chamomile bodywrap" and "Lifeboat jasmine and orchid immersion" or something like that. Every kind of activity on board would have names based on Titanic puns (Grab a lifeboat!) and it would be filled with people in ill-fitting teeshirts and denim cutoffs with sportsdrinks and visors and fannypacks and flipflops and sunscreen. I cringe at the thought. They would photograph their brochures with insipid models in stupid poses in inaccurate costume (Stuff made of fabric you could buy at Walmart) and sugary descriptions of the ship and accomadation.(phrases like Edwardian Grandeur afloat on the High Seas! Happywookiecookiedumplings, etc.)

And if you think about it, Titanic doesn't really have any historical ties to anywhere - she lasted for such a short time. Why, probably the best place to put her is right over the spot where she lays! She's been there longer and has more ties to that area than anywhere else! Imagine the logistical nightmare of that.

So, other than proving that I'm a snob, I disagree with this idea totally.
I still think computerisation is the only practical way to achieve what we all want. In the not too distance future virtual reality software will have developed sufficiently that you struggle to tell the different between the virtual and real worlds.

Building the Titanic ‘virtually’ would certainly get round any health and safety issues and our lack of old manufacturing skills. It would actually be possible to sail on the maiden voyage, now imagine that. Not on some tacky inaccurate replica but the real thing (virtually).

To start with everyone would want to role play the well known players in the events, which is understandable. Later it would be possible to be a stoker for the voyage (better than a workout at the gym) or steerage passenger.
Yes, the holodeck version. ;)

I have pondered something like that as a character test - if you could play a little with the memory to make your mind accept it as real (like a dream), then your actions would be an interesting test of how you would react under life-or-death situations.

>>Building the Titanic ‘virtually’ would certainly get round any health and safety issues and our lack of old manufacturing skills.<<

It would also be a helluva lot cheaper to do. You wouldn't have to try building a riveted hull with skills thatare virtually non-existant and you wouldn't have to train and pay a crew to run the ship...especially in the hellish conditions of the stokehold.
Enh, but taking a virtual tour, graphics aside, won't let you hear your footfalls on the wood-plank deck, feel the cold breeze or taste the salt air, or feel the smooth mahogany railings along the grand staircase gliding past your fingertips. You're not ON the Titanic, you're WATCHING Titanic. Nothing could compare to the real deal. Going virtual would save a few bucks though. People on the set of Cameron's Titanic probably got the closest feel. Of course, they were in the warm Gulf of Mexico with all kinds of equipment all around. You'd need a time machine to experience the real thing, but even then, the whole life-threatening thing could be an issue. So, pick your poison.

(100th post yea! This is actually exciting. Mike has over 14,000 and I'm still excited, go figure. ;)