Mike Poirier

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I read somewhere that the Titanic was book full for the return half of the maiden voyage. Was the list ever publised as sometimes the newspapers of the day published who was travelling on what ship? I can only imagine the illustrious names booked on the retun half.
 
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Mike: I am not sure but I think the official list was burned by the White Star Line after the Titanic tragedy. I will have to found where I read this. Sincerely,

Charles
 
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Funny you should ask that. I was reading Eaton and Haas, Titanic, Destination Disaster today and it put the schedualed arrival date as Wednesday 17 April and the sceduled departure date of noon, Saturday 20 April. (See page 84).

Rumor has it the return trip was canceled due to some minor technical difficulties. Something about damage to hull plating and rivits causing boyancy problems.(oops)

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
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Mr MP and/or Mr MHS
Did these cruise ships have a two-three day turn around normally? Were their coal supplies to last for the entire voyage or just one way?

As far as those minor technical difficulties...what about patches? ;)
Maureen.
 
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Mo, depending on the ship, the turn around could be as little as three days and as long as a week. If memory serves, the coal on board was generally good for a one way crossing. I'll have to check back into that. Of course, coaling was the worst part of it all. It had to be loaded manually and the dust which spread despite the very best efforts to contain it got into absolutely everything. So much so that cleaning it up was an all hands effort. Everything had to be clean and gleaming befor the passangers came on board.

Patches? Not with water coming in at seven tons a second you wouldn't. Think of a 49 inch diameter watermain under pressure being cracked wide open. That's what the crew was up against. I had the benefit of damage control training at Treasure Island in San Francisco and shoring/patching was one of the things we did in a simulator which was allowed to sink to the bottom of a (Fortunately) shallow tank. Patches on even the smallest holes had to be braced with a heavy wooden beam just to keep them from being forced out and just getting them in place on or over small holes took our team half an hour. It wouldn't take much to break it up and the water there wasn't even coming in under pressure.

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
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Sorry Michael I was just kidding you about the patch, but you certainly gave me a lot of food for thought in response. Thanks. Maureen.
 
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Hi Mo...and no problem on the information. A little sidenote on the coal, what they dealt with in America was that soft bituminous coal which was infamous for being dusty, thereby complicating clean-up above and beyond the call of complicated. The barges brought them up came from Perth Amboy, then they were brought along side and dumped into chutes on the ship one 250 pound sack at a time.

Wanna sign up for the coaling team?

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
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Hey there Michael.
Thanks for the information. And yes, sign me up, I have contacted my doctor for steroid injections as we speak. Since my bowling game and golf score became reversed in a serious traumatic event, I have goven up all hope of scoring it big in the Olympics...so it won't matter.

What do you mean there were never any games involing bowling and golf....but....

Do you think that Mike Herbold knows that the Titanic was carrying a box of Golf Balls as part of their cargo?

But anyway, I think that I will be ready to lift 250 pound bags by next year sometime just when my voice lowers and the beard starts growing.

Wait a minute...what is the difference between the coaling team and the Mile High Club of the Air borne folks....hmmmmmm?
Maureen.
 

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Don't think you can sneak those property of G.W. Sheldon & Co. extra extra high compression little round dimpled things past customs, Mo.
 
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Dear Mr Herbold,
I beg your pardon, I have no little round dimpled things....and for your information I was already searched thoroughly once in a life far far away and he knows that there are no little round dimpled things amongst any of my stuff! so there...wait who told you about the golf balls... extra extra high compression...I think I need a lawyer. Maureen.
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Well since you signed up Mo, I can give you some good news and some bad news.

The good news; if you were dealing with Jenny Craig in order to stay fit and slim, you can now give her the boot and wolf down quarter pounders all day long. You won't gain an ounce.

The bad news; you just gave your chiropractor some gauranteed job security.

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
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Okay Michael,
Wait...first, I don't have a chiropractor...do I need one...but he will help lift the bags that is okay ...

And the part about booting Jenny...I mean well we have bonded along with Monica and that other woman...what's her name Sarah...oh sorry that is the other weight loss place...anyway. Mickey D's will be happy to hear that I will be frequenting their establishment now and dropping my granola and yogurt breakfasts.

Donlt quite know how to wolf down quarter pounders so may have to enroll in a class. But I am a willing and eager coal person.

Wait you never ansered that Mile High/Coal person question...is it too late?
maureen.
 
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Join the Mile High Club while lifting 250 lb bags of coal? What...oh never mind, I don't even want to know where THAT idea came from.

Nice touch getting the chiropractor to sign on. Maybe you can get a discount by working on him/her after he/she streightens out you back.

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
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If the chiropractor looks like Harrison Ford or Richard Gere I will not care if he gives me a discount. I would allow him to straighten me out and I would work on him anytime.
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Does anyone know how many people had booked passage on the second half of the ship's maiden voyage back to England? Are there any notable people among the passengers booked on the east bound trip to Europe? Were these passengers all transfered to other ships; would White Star have offered to refund their tickets if they choose not to travel?
 
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If I remember rightly, Charles Pellegrino put the figure at 'nearly fully booked' -- so it may need double checking!

Olympic carried 2,300+ passengers on her return trip in June-July 1911 and roughly the same number on her trip to New York as her sister would the following year. So I guess it seems reasonable.

Best regards,

Mark.
 
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Hi Matthew and Mark, I must have misread what Matthew posted. I had thought he was asking only about maiden voyage return trip passengers and what had happened to them. Sorry.

But he brings up an interesting thought, does anyone know if there were figures for Titanic passengers that were booked for a round trip and what they were if they exist?

I would imagine that the third class imigrants were staying in the US originally, but I wonder how many who were planning to stay returned to their homes after this?

Did any Titanic round trip passengers take Olympic back to England?

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HI Maureen!

I must have misread what Matthew posted. I had thought he was asking only about maiden voyage return trip passengers and what had happened to them. Sorry.

Nothing to apologise for, Mo. (that abbreviation is okay, isn't it? -- no impoliteness intended -- a long word for me today!) I think he's asked for the numbers booked (which I answered) and how they returned (which I didn't).

Other than Pellegrino, who stated the ship to be around fully booked for the return trip, his figures would make sense to me because Olympic carried a similar number the previous year, albeit June not April. I've no idea whether other sources (apart from Pellegrino's) exist on the topic, perhaps one of the 'passenger people' such as Brian Meister(sp?) or Philip Gowan could help.

Did any Titanic round trip passengers take Olympic back to England?

I am not sure -- Olympic remained at Southampton rather than sail for New York on April 24th 1912 because of the infamous mutiny. She didn't return to New York until mid-May 1912 so I guess most of Titanic's booked passengers had returned to England and Europe by then.

Best regards,

Mark.
 
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Thanks for the responses, I'm getting more than I expected. To clarify things, I want to know if anyone knows the number of people who were booked to take the Titanic back to Europe from New York on the second half of her maiden voyage. These do not have to be "round trip" passengers, anyone booked is of interest to me.

Thanks again,

Matt
 

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