RMS Carpathia Tea Set

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Ebay is funny like that. I had a genuine, embossed, white star line fruit bowl made by the Goldsmiths and Silversmiths company and e-bay pulled it. They wanted it listed in the furniture category. The silver plated fruit bowl was genuine and had bids on it when it was taken down. I ended up selling it off of e-bay to a dealer who confirmed it was indeed genuine. I was on the phone for about an hour with the folks at e-bay and they wouldn't budge on the listing as their "experts had decided".
Oh dear....words really do fail me about this listing. And it's had a bid! :eek:

White Star Line RMS CARPATHIA Silver plated tea set titanic interest | eBay
I posted a listing on another forum about this and you can CLEARLY see how old these items are !! i am happy to have purchased two of them and having received both items the age is something that can’t be denied!! They are genuine memorabilia, exactly as listed!! The guy even refunded me £2.30 postage and has great feedback!! Enough said!! I started collecting in the 1970s. I started with an ebony carved piece from the Olympic. Still got it !!! Been offered £150 but will never sell
 
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I posted a listing on another forum about this and you can CLEARLY see how old these items are !! i am happy to have purchased two of them and having received both items the age is something that can’t be denied!! They are genuine memorabilia, exactly as listed!!
They might be old but they are neither White Star Line nor from Olympic or Carpathia (which belonged to the Cunard Line). The seller is a swindler, quite simple. Putting a WSL Flag on every silverware and then try to sell them as such.
 
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Ebay is funny like that. I had a genuine, embossed, white star line fruit bowl made by the Goldsmiths and Silversmiths company and e-bay pulled it. They wanted it listed in the furniture category. The silver plated fruit bowl was genuine and had bids on it when it was taken down. I ended up selling it off of e-bay to a dealer who confirmed it was indeed genuine. I was on the phone for about an hour with the folks at e-bay and they wouldn't budge on the listing as their "experts had decided".
 

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Having a closer look at some of the items previously on offer, I've looked up a couple of the manufacturers marks and date stamps.

Quite why White Star felt the need to commission the purchase of silver plated items for the Olympic in 1916 when she was serving as a troop ship and had been stripped of all of her peace time fittings is anyone's guess??

Here's a handy guide for those who wish to purchase the real items:

White Star Line silver plate, a brief buying guide. Advice for collectors old & new.
 
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They might be old but they are neither White Star Line nor from Olympic or Carpathia (which belonged to the Cunard Line). The seller is a swindler, quite simple. Putting a WSL Flag on every silverware and then try to sell them as such.
You must realise what you are saying !!! Which clearly you don’t !! The seller could be ANYONE !!! How can you call them a swindler ?? Especially when the items are clearly VERY VERY OLD!!! Are you implying the person is like a hundred years old or something?? True age is clear on an item and cannot be faked !! I’m perfectly happy with my purchases as are eBay and everyone else that’s bought them. Just read the feedback !! Souvenirs have been around for centuries. Money was scarce in war time aswel !! Have you seen some of the memorabilia from WSL. There’s loads on eBay !! Are you saying it’s all fake ?? All due respects to your opinions but there a bit strong
 
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You must realise what you are saying !!! Which clearly you don’t !! The seller could be ANYONE !!! How can you call them a swindler ?? Especially when the items are clearly VERY VERY OLD!!! Are you implying the person is like a hundred years old or something?? True age is clear on an item and cannot be faked !! I’m perfectly happy with my purchases as are eBay and everyone else that’s bought them. Just read the feedback !! Souvenirs have been around for centuries. Money was scarce in war time aswel !! Have you seen some of the memorabilia from WSL. There’s loads on eBay !! Are you saying it’s all fake ?? All due respects to your opinions but there a bit strong
They are fakes because they are NOT original White Star Line silverware. What is the problem to understand that? The seller add the WSL flag on everything selling them as WSL silverware from Olympic and Carpathia (which even did not belonged to the White Star Line it was a Cunard Liner!). So what do you call that?! The seller is a liar and swindler quite simple. If you can not separate original WSL silverware from the "faked" ones, your problem. But don't start to discuss such matters with WSL collectors and people who know the difference.
And as I stated above, the silverware might be really old but it is not from the White Star Line.
 
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To support Ioannis, none of the items listed on e-bay by the seller in question are listed as souvenirs or memorabilia. They are all listed as White Star Line RMS Olympic. This implies they are genuine, Olympic used items.

As has been posted and shown in the collectors article, none of those items conform to the format used by White Star or the items manufacturer.

Finally, as has already been said, even my 7 year old son knows that RMS Carpathia was a Cunard liner. To think someone paid £111 for that is shocking.

A quick search on e-bay shows you can purchase tea sets of the same vintage and better quality (without the added White Star name of course) on a buy it now for less than half that.
 
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Phil baker

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Problem here is very simple to ascertain! You people here clearly don’t have any vision past what you can google !! If it’s not on google then you don’t believe it! I have just bought a souvenir originaly from Pratt souvenirs in Southampton! It is a small glass rms Olympic ! I’m 100% sure it’s from Pratt’s because of the paperwork with it. It has full provenance yet it’s the only one I can find. Ie there is not another one on the internet. Does that mean it’s fake then in your eyes ??? You do not know all of the items that were souvenirs or made at the time and what items were used on the ships ect ! There was a coin found recently that they never knew was used at that date. Things are not always as you see on tv you know or read or google !! I was in the armed forces and there have been several documentaries made about the regiment I served with. All of them are crap !! Even down to the day to day things like that what time we get up in the morning !! You can’t just rely on what you read !! These items are clearly very old and just because someone makes money from them should not be critisised by you !! It’s a clear cut case of sour grapes for gods sake ! If your not buying then don’t voice your opinions in this manner ! You haven’t even seen the items in the flesh ! I have !! And I can tell you they are very old etchings aswel !! It’s natural wear and oxidation!! You CANNOT copy that !! It’s like Verdi Gris green colour on lead and copper rooves ! Impossible to reproduce exactly !
 
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Saw that too. Did not know Carpathia belonged to the White Star Line! :rolleyes: That guy has more of that silly stuff with RMS Olympic on it and people really bid and pay a lot of money for that garbage!
 

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I would like to put a wager with William hills and get these items tested professional and I am betting they are old !! I’ve bought them from this seller and sold them to collectors ! Look at the feedback this seller has from collectors !! Who the hell are you guys anyway ? You haven’t even purchased anything and your morning !! Try it for yourself , I guarantee you’ll make a profit
 

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Sorry I meant to say “moaning” !! Anyway don’t knock it !! One of these items is now in a museum so I’m told by a fellow ebayer
 
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I’ve bought them from this seller and sold them to collectors ! Look at the feedback this seller has from collectors !! Who the hell are you guys anyway ? You haven’t even purchased anything and your morning !! Try it for yourself , I guarantee you’ll make a profit

You seem that you did not get it, the White Star Flag as well as the name engraved on it are fakes! I saw your ebay listings by the way all I can say is poor people who spend money on them.

The other seller is a liar and swindler, he sold them as original White Star Line items from Olympic and Carpathia which were not. They even did not had that style aboard and Carpathia belonged to the Cunard Line.

And to use your own quote, "who the hell are you"????
No idea about anything, defending a liar and selling faked items yourself. All you have done so far is only attacking and coming up with excuses.

And by the way Museums are not experts about White Star Line silver, there was recently a faked Titanic lifebelt in a museum and was removed when it was told by researchers and collectors.
 

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Even Museums or Auction houses can make mistakes.

For example, According to "Titanic: The Ship Magnificent (Part 1)" Lifebuoys bearing "Titanic" on them would occasionally pop up in auction and be sold to a keen enthusiast or collector. Unfortunately despite common depictions, Titanic nor any White Star ship at the time would have painted a ship's name on them so they could be use 1 kind on all ships (and when they did wasn't till much later). Yet they still will sometimes appear for sale and then be sold with the auction house being none the wiser.
 

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I have reported it but they don't appear to have done anything. Interestingly there are 2 other Ebay profiles in the same town as him also selling these fakes....
 
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You don’t know that !! When I say who are you ?? I mean that you are not eBay , you are not auctions !! You are just random faceless people !! FACT!! And you did not see any of my listings because I don’t sell on eBay !! Again your wrong !! I’ve recentky contacted eBay about this and they assure me it’s all above board. So once again “who are you”?? You disagree with auctions and museums and eBay !! But once again “who are you”?? Your nobody !! So why should you cast aspersions about this seller ??? WHO ARE YOU ??? people with sour grapes and nothing better to do !! Look at all the Memorabilia out there ! Is it all fake ??? Are you mad ??? I saw a great programme about a Chinese man whose job it was to find fakes ! He said that you cannot make assumptions about things!! And you can never state facts only opinions !! The man was in many court cases involving fakes and even he said you must ONLY state opinions !! NEVER state your opinion as a fact or you can be out of a job !! You lot are not very worldly !! And thats my last message
 

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Hooray. Its your last message. Such a shame as you engaged in a fascinating debate

I'm off to contact the Daily Mail to see if they are willing to sell me Hitler's War Diaries. There's a chance they may be real after all.

Enjoy your old silver. Shame you couldn't post some pictures of it so we could enjoy seeing it.