Rose and her corset


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Does anybody know, in which scenes has Rose (Kate Winslet) really corset and in which scenes does not? I mean especially scenes with swiming, lowering boat and break of Titanic.
 

Ebby Greane

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I assume she wasnt wearing a corset while doing the swimming scences as when you wear a corset it is hard to breathe, let alone do lots of physical stunts. but i dont know.
 

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After watching the Special Edition <again> Cameron goes into detail on the corset as a metaphor for Rose, including the scene where she was originally (as written) corseting Ruth. It makes more sense the other way around in the re-write/as filmed.

Rose hates the thing, and by her final costume change she's wearing a free flowing dress sans corset.
 
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sharon rutman

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One of the funniest scenes involved Mom dismissing Trudy and then she proceeds to imprison Rose in her corset as the poor dear child hangs on to the bedpost for dear life. During this charming Mother/Daughter moment, Mom orders Rose that she is not to see Jack again and she yanks on the corset even harder to make sure her errant daughter gets the message loud and clear!

Personally, I think this scene was ripped off from Gone With The Wind. Who can ever forget that equally memorable moment when Mammie laced up Scarlett into her corset, telling her to hang on and suck in? Being imprisoned in your underwear was probably the ultimate female nightmare and all I can say is thank God for sports bras!!!
 
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sharon rutman

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Corset problem solved--Winslet wasn't wearing the corset for all those strenous physical scenes during the sinking part of the film. In the special dvd (I forget which disk) Winslet hikes up her skirt to reveal all she is wearing is the long 1912 style bloomers.
 
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sharon rutman

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At the risk of sounding like a graduate school English lit cliche, maybe Rose's corset was a metaphor for the cloistered type of life she led, barely a step above jail. She was entrapped by her lifestyle which included wearing corsets which restricted movement and freedom. It was almost as bad as Chinese footbinding.
 
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Lesley Jean-Baptiste

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>>At the risk of sounding like a graduate school English lit cliche, maybe Rose's corset was a metaphor for the cloistered type of life she led, barely a step above jail. She was entrapped by her lifestyle which included wearing corsets which restricted movement and freedom.<<
Or maybe she was just trying to stay true to the time period she was trying to portray. After all most, if not all women of that era wore corsets people.
 
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sharon rutman

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In Rose's day, the university was a stopping off place where young ladies prepared for their MRS degrees. College back then for women was more like finishing school rather than preparation for a serious career.
 
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The corset scene was most definitely a metaphor for the restricted existence Rose was leading. It wasn’t just a matter of being true to period clothing. Sharon is right that most women didn’t consider careers seriously in 1912 but there was an increasing number who did. Many who had never been to college managed to carve major careers, achieving professional goals despite limitations placed on them by men, and paving the way for the modern business woman. Titanic had its share of interesting examples of emancipated gals. I’ve written of some of them ——Lucy Duff Gordon, Helen Churchill Candee, Dorothy Gibson. They are interesting beyond their Titanic relevance. To me, they’re fascinating case studies of the evolving status of women in the early 20th century.

Granted, most of these women were upper class examples of liberation, but in a world of deep class prejudice, it substantially aided the cause of suffrage to have women in high social positions breaking the mold, as it were. Society women in those days were leaders in public taste and opinion, and as more and more of them left their rarefied realms to find independence in business or politics, careers in these fields became respectable feminine aspirations and the suffrage stereotype of butchy or frumpy women was overhauled.

The post-WWI years are seen as a time when everything changed. But really the decade of the 1920s was only the RESULT of change that had been taking place for a good long time. By the 1910s, for instance, younger women of the type personified by Rose were casting off their corsets, smoking cigarettes, traveling unescorted, having romantic relationships outside the norms of society, entering careers dominated by men, in fact doing a lot of things we don’t usually associate with the Edwardian period. We think, perhaps, that because women then were still wearing flower-decked hats and lacy dresses that they were all toeing the prescribed line. But they weren’t —— wheels were actually turning in those dainty heads!

I like that Cameron captured in Rose’s character the freer spirit and thinking of the ultra-modern woman of 1912. Her inner struggle was what many real women of that day were experiencing —— some of them were our own great grandmothers!
 
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I was idly leafing through Cameron's big coffee table book and discovered this little gem about the Corset Scene--it was originally intended for Rose to help her mother into her corset, not the other way around to show her playing the good daughter. It got switched around to depict Mom yanking Rose into her Corset Prison to emphasize the gilded cage she would be living in for the rest of her life. Sweet, huh!
 
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sharon rutman

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But the purpose of a university is to find a suitable husband. Rose has already done that. This also bothers me. For one thing most schools and universities weren't co-ed in the early 20th century. And Cal is at least 10 years older than Rose, so it is unlikely she would have met him on campus. A great prequel idea--how does Rose meet Cal.
 

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"But the purpose of university is to find a suitable husband. Rose has already done that."

Once again Sharon, this was to portray what the role of a woman was back in 1912. Ruth thinks that University is only good for meeting a husband, not for her daughters education. The conversation was to show how trapped Rose in her world.
 
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Cal certainly wouldn't have been a Texas Aggie.....but then there was T.C.S.W. (Texas State College for Women) in 1912 ...... :)
 
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Re Sharon Rutman:

>>A great prequel idea--how does Rose meet Cal.<<

Elementary , my Dear Watson !

Nathan Hockley, "wealthy Pittsburg steel magnate"
sends his son Caledon south to study Mechanical Engineering at Texas Agricultural and Mechanical College (later Texas A&M University ) at College Station, Texas.

Much against her mother Ruth Dewitt-Bukater's wishes, Rose Dewitt-Bukater attends College of Industrial Arts (later Texas Woman's University) at Denton, Texas , intending to become a Nurse.

They meet when Rose was selected "Aggie Sweetheart" from C.I.A. and Caledon was a Colonel in the Cadet Corps at A & M. Caledon also graduated from Harvard and through the machinations of Ruth , especially after the death of her husband, they were engaged to be married.

Quite a lot of literary license has been taken in the above, but it's probably not any more improbable than some of Mr. Cameron's. :)
 
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It's also obvious why Cameron changed the corset scene from Ruth getting harnessed up to Rose being trussed up in a corset. Does anyone really want to look at Ruth in a corset? I didn't think so.
 
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How did Rose meet Cal? Hmmmm.....

Rose ran away from her finishing school in Switzerland and hitch-hiked to Spain. In order to support her addiction to minted lamb, she was forced to work in a cigarette factory, where she developed a nasty tobacco habit, ensuring an early morning hacking cough. When she'd smoked more than she made she would get a nicotine rush which would make her dance on tables and flirt with the local soldiers whilst shrieking and shaking her long skirts. One day she beat seven colours out of another cigarette girl and was dragged off to jail where she seduced the soldier (let's call him Domingo) who arrested her and then they ran away into the hills to be with the pikeys, I mean, gypsies, er, travelling people. This didn't go down very well with the other soldiers who chased after them and surrounded them as they danced an Irish jig around a camp fire. Rose's lover Domingo copped it with a steel girder swung by one Caledon Hockley, in Spain to look for a trophy bride. In order to avoid being jailed, chucked on the camp fire or, God forbid, sent back to La Suisse, Rose agreed to accompany Cal and her demonic mother back to America to be married off to ensure Ruth would never have to become a pikey, make pegs and run up her own corsets.

No, I've no idea how Rose met Cal.
 

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Sounds like a plausible plot, Ian, especially when Rose is shown the now wilted flower that Domingo kept at his side, the same one she lightheartedly flung at him.

I guess after a few days with Cal, Rose wishes that somehow Domingo would have grown increasingly jealous of her even looking at other men, and eventually have him track her down and kill her.

Yes, I can see how Rose perfected her dancing skills, from the school run by Madames Habanera and Seguidilla (I hope I got the spelling right).
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>>Caledon was a Colonel in the Cadet Corps at
A & M.<<

Actually, Cal was only a few years older than Rose. Cal just looked old for his age. All that riotous living that Lovejoy was hired to keep him out of and rescue him from. :)

Actually, we are left to speculate as to how they
met in the first place. Only Cameron and The Shadow knows.
 
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