Saved from the Titanic film

derek byrne

Member
Oct 4, 2017
2
0
11
I am writing a book about the connections between Titanic and the city of Dundee in Scotland. I am trying to find out if the film "Saved from the Titanic" (UK title "A Survivor of the Titanic") was shown in Scotland and specifically in Dundee. I can find no mention of it playing in a Scottish Theatre/Cinema in any of the newpapers of that time. Any info would be appreciated.
 
May 27, 2007
3,916
3
0
Yes we should Kyrila! I agree with Kyrila, that's is an neat clip, Lana! Thanks for sharing. It's a pity that they couldn't hit on a cheap affordable process to color film earlier! Then I could of watched my silents in color! I'm still waiting to see "Toll Of The Sea" 1922! Seems I'm not the only one either!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_of_the_Sea
 
May 12, 2005
3,109
1
108
George: "Do you know how popular "Saved From The Titanic" was at the time of it's release?"

Hi, George, the film was very popular. Next to Dorothy Gibson's first starring role in "Hands Across the Sea" (1911), it was the most publicized. Actually, judging by the number of "Saved From the Titanic" ads appearing even in small-town newspapers, it was likely more popular. Movie magazines carried lots of hoopla about it, not all of which can be relied on as Eclair, the studio Dorothy worked for, was an advertiser in most of them. But I think it's safe to say it was very successful, and not just in the US but in England and France.

George: "I've heard it was thought to be exploitive by some."

You are right that there was concern in the press during production that the film would be exploitive but it didn't receive any criticism along those lines. The opposite in fact. The New York Daily Telegraph (28 April 1912) reported that care was being taken by Eclair that "Saved From the Titanic" would not "offend the sensibilities of the public, which still feels the terrible bitterness of the accident." Moving Picture News (11 May 1912) also pointed out that the "harassing details that might offend good taste are carefully omitted, but the story of the wreck, the love interest, and the effects of the calamity are all depicted."

Eclair had Dorothy write the scenario so in that sense it was authentic, at least regarding the basic facts of her escape and rescue. In retrospect was "Saved" exploitive? A case could be made that it was, but the star wanted to do it, and the film's popularity proves it fulfilled a widespread public desire for more information on the tragedy. Finally, Dorothy didn't use it, as she could have, to further her career in the industry. "Saved" was her next to last film. She considered producer Jules Brulatour to be her real prize, and it was her misfortune that she chose to pursue her affair with him instead of continuing in motion pictures.

Randy
 
May 27, 2007
3,916
3
0
Hi Randy!

Well "Saved From the Titanic" doesn't sound exploitative from the plot! Pretty cut and dried really to me from that plot and what you've told me! Eclair Studios sounds familiar from somewhere! Wait a minute!!! Didn't Evelyn Nesbit made a movie with them?? I just read a book on her Called "American Eve: Evelyn Nesbit, Stanford White: The Birth of the "It" Girl and the Crime of the Century" by Paula Uruburu! I to rack my memory!

http://www.amazon.com/American-Eve-Evelyn-Stanford-Century/dp/1594489939

I wonder if any of Eclair's other movies are known today! A lot of early studios made movies and are gone with the wind unfortunately. All that remains are pay stubs and records and film cans with dust in them or a rubbery gook!

Regarding Miss Dorothy it's a pity she decided on setting her cap on Mr. Jules! He must of had or represented something she wanted out of life! I'll have to read your book on her to see!
happy.gif
Reading about Sisi the Forgotten Empress Of Austria!
 

Jim Kalafus

Member
Dec 3, 2000
6,086
5
198
Hey, George. Since he is one of your Facebook contacts, might I suggest that you contact Phil Gowan ASAP? Most of what has subsequently been written about Dorothy derives from his original article, and he has been exceptionally generous in sharing his research... all documented, every last relevant photocopy, article,letter and email... with serious-minded persons who take the time to ask. You'll be glad you did!
 
May 27, 2007
3,916
3
0
Thank you Jim for the advice! Yes, Phil Gowan is a great researcher and I am glad to have him as a friend on Facebook! I was already thinking about getting in touch with him already after I saw Randy paying tribute to Phil and saying how Phil inspired him and telling fellow ET'ers to consult Phil's Article in an earlier post. Perhaps I will after reading Randy's book! Phil's a busy fella and I'd feel bad about bugging him with no real specific questions. I really don't know that much about Dorothy.

Also I'm lucky to have "Finding Dorothy" on hold from the Library and am looking forward to reading it, Randy!

I'm very lucky to have met and know some intelligent and courteous people here on ET to help me with my study of history! I hope too be able to research more about things that interest me while in Columbia and keep up with everything! But in case this isn't possible at least I know I got to thank the people who's kindness has made my stay here at ET fun and informative and more then made up for the few backbiters I've had the misfortune to ran across!
 
May 27, 2007
3,916
3
0
Continuing...
quote:

with serious-minded persons who take the time to ask.
Now that isn't me, Jim! Enthusiastic and liberal minded person that I am! Although I can get serious on folks getting the short end of the stick historically as you know from discussions we've had in the past! I will miss them! Actually I miss them already but perhaps it's for the best when folks can't agree that they agree to disagree and here's a thought! Respect one an other's opinion!

I also take comfort in knowing that even if I can't get on to ET at least my innovative Topics will go on!

quote:

Free Love, Kept Men and Women plus other naughty behavior and sordid happenings in the Gilded Age and beyond.

Spanish Influenza Worldwide Outbreak 1918

The Jazz Age or All Roads Lead To Ballyhoo

When Christ and his saints slept. The 1120 sinking of the White Ship. and its effect on English History

How would you escape and survive the Lusitania.
And some more that I can't remember! Plus I'll have the memory of the great discussions I've had! I know and have the satisfaction of knowing that I've contributed something to ET!

Sorry to go off topic and it's such a fascinating topic too! I hope to have more to contribute after reading Finding Dorothy and other info on Dorothy Gibson!​
 

Lana Baker

Member
Nov 8, 2008
35
0
36
I haven't seen this subject discussed in detail on this board (if it is and I have missed it, I apologize for the redundancy!) - I recently did some research on the short (approx. 10-minute) Dorothy Gibson film "Saved from the Titanic" and found it quite intriguing. Apparently it was filmed right after the sinking and was released sometime in May of 1912.

I understand that the plot was somewhat exaggerated, with Ms. Gibson, sporting the same clothing she had actually worn during the sinking, valiantly saving people before boarding a lifeboat herself. Interestingly, the film supposedly contained some colour sequences -- I cannot recall the name for the colourising method (something like Technicolor), but I wonder if it involved simply tinting the black-and-white frames by hand or if an early version of colour film was used. Does anyone know?

Sadly, this film, like all but one starring Dorothy Gibson, was lost. One source stated that a very high percentage of films from the silent era have not survived.
 

Jim Kalafus

Member
Dec 3, 2000
6,086
5
198
>but I wonder if it involved simply tinting the black-and-white frames by hand or if an early version of colour film was used. Does anyone know?

Could have been hand tinting. Most likely, it was applying a gold dye to any scenes set at night, to give them a moonlit wash effect. But, most color sequences in silent films were provided by filters.
 

Inger Sheil

Member
Dec 3, 2000
5,337
30
198
Lana, have you had a chance to read Randy Bigham's biography of Dorothy Gibson, Finding Dorothy? He discusses her film career at some length. Simon Mills also devotes quite a bit of space to Saved from the Titanic in his book on Titanic films titled Titanic in Pictures. There has also been a bit of discussion under the movie section of the messageboard if you do a search in that area.

Wiki has a list of colour film processes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_color_film_systems

The one early colour film I'm keen to see is 1922's Toll of the Sea with Anna May Wong, the first colour feature produced in Hollywood (Jim - I imagine you've already seen this one? Verdict?).

It has been estimated that as little as 10 - 15% of silent films survive today.
 
May 27, 2007
3,916
3
0
quote:

The one early colour film I'm keen to see is 1922's Toll of the Sea with Anna May Wong, the first colour feature produced in Hollywood.
I also want to see that one as well! I've been hunting Netflex and pestering my local library as well! The Script was written by Frances Marion and is a variation on Madame Butterfly!​
 

Lana Baker

Member
Nov 8, 2008
35
0
36
Thank you, everyone, for your insight!

I looked it up again, and the colourisng process supposedly used is called "Kinemacolor". There is a short article with links to others at this site - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saved_from_the_Titanic .

I have not seen too many silent films (apart from Buster Keaton - "The Navigator" is hilarious!), so I never imagined that any of them were in colour. I will have to start watching more of them.

And thank you, Inger, for the book suggestions.
 
May 3, 2005
2,130
166
133
"In August, 1911, colored motion pictures of the coronation of King George V showed for one week."
-"WPA Dallas Guide and History", Page 242
 
May 27, 2007
3,916
3
0
That's neat Robert! I wonder what they thought of that in Dallas! It was color though so I bet tickets sold pretty well for that show!
 
May 3, 2005
2,130
166
133
George-
Some more from that source:

"Mme. Bernhart's film of Camille was exhibited in 1912 and The Birth Of A Nation on its first Dallas engagement , October 4, 1915, ran for two weeks as a road show at top prices.

By the end of the decade between 1910 and 1920 it was apparent that the little motion picture houses along Elm Street from Lamar to Ervay, with their admission fees of 5 cents, 10 cents and occasionally 25 cents, were too much competition for the Dallas Opera House. Legitimate players at this period were no longer touring. Bigger and better houses were built to bring Hollywood drama to Dallas."
-The WPA Dallas Guide And History", Page 242

I could find no references to any movies or other related presentations of the Titanic disaster locally.

There was a report of one family from Groesbeck, Texas who were lost on Titanic.

https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-biography/samuel-beard-risien.html
 
May 12, 2005
3,109
1
108
I think any color sequence in "Saved From the Titanic" was probably more of a tint, as Jim has suggested, than full-fledge color. The one known surviving film of Dorothy Gibson's —— "The Lucky Hold Up" (released 11 April 1912) —— has scenes tinted in rose and blue, so that's an indication of what "Saved" may have looked like.

Other books with good sections on "Saved From the Titanic" are Frank Thompson's "Lost Films" and Stephen Bottomore's "Titanic and Silent Cinema." Both books were a lot of help when I was researching, and Frank loaned some of his great photos.

As to "kinemacolour, " it was something of an approximation of modern color, and used often in the Pathe and Gaumont fashion newsreels that started up about 1910. Color fashion photography was also in its infancy around the same time. It looks artificial to us today but this so-called "polychromide" process was actually touted as "real" color. Some of Lucile's dresses, by the way, were photographed in the polychromide method in 1913 (for the Illustrated London News) and in 1915-16 (Harper's Bazaar).

Inger, I'd like to see "Toll of the Sea." All I have seen are clips used in documentaries, but they look very good. The color must be early Technicolor?
 

Inger Sheil

Member
Dec 3, 2000
5,337
30
198
Yes, an early Technicolor, Randy - Wiki claims it is the second Technicolor film. I have another Anna May Wong movie on order at the moment, but Toll of the Sea is on the list of silents to track down! There were several multi-part versions on Youtube, but it looks like most, possibly all, have been removed.
 
May 3, 2005
2,130
166
133
Off subject...But does anyone remember those "color filters" (or whatever they were called ?)a sheet of cellophane or some sort of thin plastic sheet that you could put on the screen of your black and white TV....Blue on the top for the sky and green on the bottom for grass .....LOL.

I've seen some old silent movies which were tinted to fit the mood...green for outdoor scenes; blue for night scenes....one was tinted red for the murder scenes.