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Message: [QUOTE="Chris cameron, post: 388409, member: 161790"] I fully comprehend what you saying, I am simply doubting that such an event in the sinking actually took place. It seems to be a cluster of improbable if not impossible sequence of events and dubious account in which you base the unlikely theory on. From the account you have I am suppose to entertain that while the bow is still at the surface a break up would occur and during the period of time Lighttoller was underwater that stern rotated and still the bow is at the surface? And that once he returned to the surface the furthest aft funnel collapses and caused the wave that pushed the collapsible away, with the bow still at the surface? I wouldn't know were to start as it is simply illogical. I do not pretend to be an expert Aaron but I cannot imagine for a moment that the situation like the one you explain could actually have occurred. [b] "which is why it may have been the 4th funnel that fell backwards and fell near the propellers where the collapsible boat was. Another possibility is that the broken stern was turning around before the bow had submerged. So it could have been the first funnel and the stern was hovering over the bow section as it turned around." [/b] It actually makes even less sense now that I have read it over a second time as you have the stern doing some serious acrobatic moves. [/QUOTE]