Sinking angle/funnels falling

[Kyle Naber]

Looking back on it. Both second and third funnels could have fell at the same time. Or third funnel falling second at the moment of break. I might be wrong and just grasping random strawsView attachment 110073View attachment 110074

I think it’s also important to note that those last moments happened in a span of about 5 minutes. Funnels all fell within about 2 minutes. Mix that with emotional stress, and survivor testimony might get a little muddy.

My guess is that the last three funnels fell pretty close together. If the ship broke approximately when water reached the compass tower, the base of the second funnel would have been submerged. Perhaps the ship broke apart 5-20 seconds after the second funnel collapsed?

 

[Dr. Wacky]

I think I'll go back to second funnel falling first. At least until I make a final decision

 

[Kyle Naber]

I think I'll go back to second funnel falling first. At least until I make a final decision

What makes you think the second funnel fell first? Is there a piece of testimony?

 

[Dr. Wacky]

What makes you think the second funnel fell first? Is there a piece of testimony?

the only piece of evidence is Thayer's testimony. i once again quote"
The ship seemed to be surrounded with a glare, and stood out of the night as though she were on fire.... The water was over the base of the first funnel. The mass of people on board were surging back, always back toward the floating stern. The rumble and roar continued, with even louder distinct wrenchings and tearings of boilers and engines from their beds. Suddenly the whole superstructure of the ship appeared to split, well forward to midship, and bow or buckle upwards.
The second funnel, large enough for two automobiles to pass through abreast, seemed to be lifted off, emitting a cloud of sparks It looked as if it would fall on top of me. It missed me by only twenty or thirty feet. The Suction of it drew me down and down struggling and swimming, practically spent."

he never mentioned the first funnel fall. I'm sure he would have noticed. and then you have lightoller's account of coming out of the water and the first funnel still being there. I'm sure he would have been crushed by the funnel if the first funnel did fall first.

 

[Dr. Wacky]

lightoller would have had to been extremely lucky to have missed being crushed by the first funnel if it fell first so early

 

[Kyle Naber]

he never mentioned the first funnel fall. I'm sure he would have noticed.

I’m not too sure about this take. I think it was around this time that he and his friend lept off the starboard side. It probably took 3 seconds for each funnel to collapse. He probably was preoccupied with jumping and swimming away from the dropping bow and didn’t notice the first funnel.

 

[Dr. Wacky]

I’m not too sure about this take. I think it was around this time that he and his friend lept off the starboard side. It probably took 3 seconds for each funnel to collapse. He probably was preoccupied with jumping and swimming away from the dropping bow and didn’t notice the first funnel.

i do see your point. ill have to sleep on it

 

[Dr. Wacky]

I’m not too sure about this take. I think it was around this time that he and his friend lept off the starboard side. It probably took 3 seconds for each funnel to collapse. He probably was preoccupied with jumping and swimming away from the dropping bow and didn’t notice the first funnel.

ok ive slept on it an i am still having a hard time deciding. you got anything?

 

[Kyle Naber]

ok ive slept on it an i am still having a hard time deciding. you got anything?

If the first two funnels fell due to water pressure, it only makes sense that the first one would go first, no?

 

[Dr. Wacky]

If the first two funnels fell due to water pressure, it only makes sense that the first one would go first, no?

True

 

[Dr. Wacky]

sorry for another question. do you think all 4 funnels were up during the break? i have seen many say yes and many say no

 

[Kyle Naber]

sorry for another question. do you think all 4 funnels were up during the break? i have seen many say yes and many say no

I doubt it. Lightoller described the first funnel falling before hearing a “huge rumbling roar” when the lights went out.

 

[Dr. Wacky]

I doubt it. Lightoller described the first funnel falling before hearing a “huge rumbling roar” when the lights went out.

Thanks. But what about the Ines who did see the ship break with all 4 funnels?

 

[Seumas]

Thanks. But what about the Ines who did see the ship break with all 4 funnels?

Such as ?

You'll have a very hard time convincing many Titanic historians today that all four funnels were still attached when the ship finally broke apart.

Not all survivors' testimony of the sinking matches up with what was ultimately found on the ocean bed.

One of our best living Titanic historians, Bill Wormstedt, did a great breakdown of what the survivors questioned at the inquiries saw during the Titanic's death throes. You can read it here: The Facts - What Did the Survivors

As you can see, 80% of those who testified at the inquiries were either unsure of what they saw or were vague about what they saw or thought they saw.

Forget all the various film and tv depictions of the ship sinking against a backdrop of dark blue hues, it was pitch black that night. For many people it was either too dark to conclusively see what was happening or they caught brief glimpses of it.

 

[Kyle Naber]

Thanks. But what about the Ines who did see the ship break with all 4 funnels?

I think it’s also important to note that the ship was at a considerable angle when the lights were on. We know now that it couldn’t have been so high, but lots of survivors described the lights being on when the angle was around 45-60°. The first two funnels (at least the bases) were submerged with the lights still on.