Smith let passengers on the bridge


Adam Went

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Michael:

I agree with you that everything which needs to be said on the matter has now been said between us, and so I will add only one final point, and that is that many of the greatest discoveries in history have spawned from theorising, speculation, guesswork, balances of probability - whatever you want to call it - from historians and scientists. Following up on these, it has turned out to be historically accurate, and has been added to the history pages.

If the idea had not been put forward in the first place, in all likelihood a new chapter of history would not have been learnt.

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - to be gained from sitting back and sticking with the known facts and presuming that everybody must have been robotic enough to follow the known story down to the tee. It rarely happens like that, there's always something more to the story.

If it is your wont to do it that way, fine, and good luck to you - but I will stick with my methods and I hope others will be smart and creative enough to do the same.

Cheers,
Adam.
 
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Ah, Jim! Memories!! I'm not sure Scott can contribute anything to this ...
Ah yes, memories.
I remember visiting RMS Queen Mary and SS France while they were in Port way back in time during the New York World's Fair.
Curiously enough,once aboard SS France on that visit, you could visit all the public areas such as the theater, etc., but all the passenger cabins, etc. were locked and you couldn't even look into them.
On RMS Queen Mary, it was just the opposite . You couldn't visit the public areas, such as the Grand Salon , etc., but were free to inspect all the passenger cabins, etc.you wanted
At least that was the way it was on my visits.
Years later, as a family , we stayed at Hotel Queen Mary.. No problem visiting the bridge.
And you could visit and take tours of all areas on the ship.
Of course all the passenger cabins were occupied since Queen Mary is like a hotel now.
As I remarked on another post, that RMS Queen Mary visit made me glad I had cancelled my reservation for Second Class Cabin (Closet ?) C-119 . LOL
 
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Aly Jones

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Just because it was the rules does not mean that the rules were not broken at some stage - in fact, in all probability they were, given the other rules which had been broken on the same voyage, i.e. ignorance of ice warnings, speeding through ice fields, etc etc, much more major issues than allowing a passenger onto the bridge for a few moments.

It sounds like you think in those 5 days officers sneaked people into the bridge. Do you think officers allow and risk female passengers and co workers in officer quarters for some fun? 16 days away from home and all, its a long-time .
 

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In my experience, the officer let the passenger on the bridge just an “offence that can be ignored”. Do you know how many rail-spotters had an unauthorized cab trip and signalman let the visitor into signal-box in the past days? Yes, they have broken the rules but it is not really serious - "if you see that, forget that". If the ship is on the open sea and on a good day, officer invites the passenger on the bridge just fine. In transportation, it's important to follow the rules but the officer will have some arrangement of his own.
 

Jim Currie

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If you look at plans of Titanic, you will see that there was a gate on each side of the boat deck at the aft end of the Officer's prom deck That would be kept tight closed at sea. There would be a warning notice on it reading from aft.
As an ex passenger ship officer of the "old school", I can tell you that any officer below the rank of Chief Officer who alowed a passenger past that gate would have had his head in his hands to play with. Passengers on the bridge at sea without express orders from the captain was a log-able offence.
 
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If you look at plans of Titanic, you will see that there was a gate on each side of the boat deck at the aft end of the Officer's prom deck That would be kept tight closed at sea. There would be a warning notice on it reading from aft.
As an ex passenger ship officer of the "old school", I can tell you that any officer below the rank of Chief Officer who alowed a passenger past that gate would have had his head in his hands to play with. Passengers on the bridge at sea without express orders from the captain was a log-able offence.
I don't think anything of the kind happened , I imagine in those days ships were run on strict structured discipline lines as they had to be as conning a ship was quite a "hands on " job in those times , with officers chosen for their sense of duty as well as character and integrity and moral fibre
It is also to be remembered that Captain Smith and the rest of the crew are not on duty 24 hours a day so obviously he was socialising with passengers ( as a secondary role in his job ) when off duty though I don't think he was really one for that , and it is also well known he was a strict teetotaller due to growing up with an alcoholic father and known for not being comfortable on seeing any bottles of drink on show in officers quarters.
 
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I'm sure a lot of this would depend on the passenger. If a JJ Astor or someone of the like wanted to see the bridge it would have been done.
 

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Actually it's probably the ripest of time to put together a new Titanic hip-hop type style play off Broadway as 100th anniversary is next year.

Make the boat/set a gangster-type hoopty with neon lights, gold bling everywhere, hydraulics to hop 'er up & down, bass tubes galore so the tub really thumps. Let's "Pimp my Titanic"

Have Bride & Phillips double as DJ's and scratch records in the Marconi room. When they site the berg, these boyz blast the bass tubes and disintegrate the berg with sound waves.

BTW I'd love to have my own mini-subway in my house like Ricky Schroder did on "Silver Spoons."
I realize Scott's post is 10 years old, but I NEED hip-hop Titanic to happen. The possibilities are endless. Murdoch is all "Move Bitch, get out of the way" to the iceberg, Molly Brown raps WAP....

Stumbling upon this thread has been an absolute trip.
 
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Sam Brannigan

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I realize Scott's post is 10 years old, but I NEED hip-hop Titanic to happen. The possibilities are endless. Murdoch is all "Move Bitch, get out of the way" to the iceberg, Molly Brown raps WAP....

Stumbling upon this thread has been an absolute trip.
Agreed, quite stunning trolling from someone with no small amount of knowledge of the subject. A total riot :D