Sneaking Into First Class From Second

[Aly Jones]

That image was taken before the voyage. The lady was his friend seeing him off. Both were enjoying 1st addmities .she left the ship .

 

[Rennette Marston]

Oh, I didn't realize. But the point is I doubt a 2nd class passenger like Mr. Beesley could ever enter 1st class without permission or invitation from the captain or a crewmember - regardless if it's before, during, or after the voyage. But maybe there were exceptions made for all classes at certain times, I suppose. What do you think?

Also, speaking of his lady friend having "left the ship," did she ever book passage on the Titanic, 1st class, or otherwise, but changed her mind before the voyage? Or did she disembark from the ship during the voyage - either at Cherbourg or Queenstown? Or maybe she boarded a lifeboat when the Titanic was sinking and that's how she left the ship? Or was she invited by Beesley or the crew to explore the ship and disembarked before the Titanic left Southampton on April 10th?

 

[Aly Jones]

I was shocked too, to find out that anyone can explore first class before the voyage. Not sure about 3rd class passengers though?

Differently she was seeing her friend off Mr.Beesley. She left the ship; not as a passenger, but as a on looker. I recall reading article on here and on FB.

 

[Rennette Marston]

I suppose she left at Southampton since she was never a passenger? But thank you for clarifying!

 

[Aly Jones]

no worries.
Yes, southHampton. Never a passenger.

 

[Robert T. Paige]

I was shocked too, to find out that anyone can explore first class before the voyage. Not sure about 3rd class passengers though?

Differently she was seeing her friend off Mr.Beesley. She left the ship; not as a passenger, but as a on looker. I recall reading article on here and on FB.

I don't know if customs or rules had or have been changed but years ago I had the opportunity of visiting. both RMS Queen Mary and SS France when they were in New York between sailings. Of course things might be different during an actual voyage and there were no rules to the contrary if just visiting, but visitors had free rein of the ships and you could explore just about any and all areas and all classes.......Which I did.

I remember there was at least one steward who seemed to be happy to give the visitors directions to places they wanted to visit on the Queen Mary.

I wanted to see a particular cabin and he gave me detailed instructions as to how to easily get to it.
But in the words of Paul Harvey "......and the rest of the story..." I am afraid it had the opposite result. My look at that cabin turned me off. Story about that was on another thread .LOL

I, too......." Left the ships ; not as a passenger, but as a on looker ."

 

[Aly Jones]

Since lower classed passengers were allowed to view and use first-class amenities before the voyage, why would any of the lower passengers bother sneaking onto the higher classes mid voyage?

 

[Robert T. Paige]

I don't know how it was on the Queen Mary and France during my visit, but I got the impression that anyone would be allowed to visit all classes during the visitation hours open to the general public but once the paid passengers got aboard and the ship got underway there would be restrictions between classes ?
And you weren't allowed to use but just view those amenities during the visiting hours

And that "tourist class" cabin on the Queen Mary that I had the opportunity to inspect didn't seem much different from those pictures of Steerage class cabins on the Titanlc. I guess Third Class hadn't changed from 1912 to 1936, and hadn't changed during later years whether you called it Steerage, Third or Tourist :-(

Just another curious thing about those visitations.
On Queen Mary most of the cabins were unlocked and open for viewing but the spaces such as lounges and dining salons were closed to the public. They were roped off and you could just look into them.
It was just the opposite on France. All of the cabins were locked but the other spaces were open for visiting.
I remember the theater seemed to be a popular place for visitors to get together.

Why would any of the lower class passengers bother sneaking on to the higher classes during mid voyage ?
I dunno ? Ask Jack and Rose why ? ;-)

 

[Robert T. Paige]

I think it was highly unlikely anyone snuck between classes on Titanic.

My thoughts:

We've gotten this Downton Abbey glamour idea that it was some kind of wonderful fun to sneak between classes.

In real life, you would immediately spot someone from the wrong class. Their clothes, mannerisms, and language would set them obviously apart. It's not today's culture where the guy sitting next to you in jeans and a t-shirt might be a multi-millionaire. Most people wouldn't remotely want to associate with the other classes. The culture gap was as big or bigger than anything in our society today. It would be like a rich vegan New York liberal yoga coach sneaking into a Nascar party to pal around with a bunch of drunk conservatives talking about gay people, or vice versa (or whatever stereotypical social conflict you want to use as ccx an example). There probably wasn't much envy about the carefree unrestricted life of 3rd class passengers, so much as there was pity and disgust (how can people tolerate being such lowlifes?)

Yes, for some there might be some kind of thrill, but you'd stick out like a sore thumb and most people would be appalled by the culture shock.

The opportunity to get a sneak peek at other classes was also available on land where it would be easier to come and go unseen, and there would be more interesting stuff to see than the 3rd class open space.

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One other passenger who did jump between classes:

If I recall, 2nd class passenger Eva Hart's father arranged for her to go to the 3rd class areas where they would walk the 1st class dogs. I don't doubt that no one thought she was anything other than a 2nd class passenger.

Although most of the 1953 "Titanic" movie is pure Hollywood fiction, there is scene in which "Richard Ward Sturges" (Clifton Webb) walks up stairs from Steerage and walks out onto what appears to be one of the First Class Promenade Decks. He takes the sign showing "First Class Passenger Only" or something of that nature to a be-fuddled man (another fictional character) in the process telling him that he will behave properly.

Of course the "Sturges" character's clothes, language ,speech, mannerisms and dress were those of a First Class Passenger. So once up there I don't think anyone would have judged him to be from a lower class ?

There is quite a bit more "character development" involved, but I won't go into that but you can by viewing that movie and make your own judgements about it.

But that is how one person might have done it.

 

[TimTurner]

But that is how one person might have done it.

Even if they could have, I doubt they would have.

 

[Robert T. Paige]

Just another aside on just one of the other errors in ," THAT !!!!" 1953 "Titanic" movie.
In real life Titanic had not been booked to capacity . Far from it.
Sturges would have had no problems in booking passage in any class due to vacancies.
The story in the movie about having to bribe the immigrants family seems to be something concocted by the film writer for some unknown reason.
And this whole subject of someone sneaking into First Class must be dismissed as some sort of "literary license".

Reading between the lines I think the reason Sturges didn't just tell the agent at Cherbourg he was joining his wife and children and paid for himself as another passenger was that he wanted to surprise "Julia" and that he was up to her plans to escape from him and steal his children ?

I also think he might have been asked to show a First Class ticket anyway, so the whole thing can be set aside as being highly unlikely ? Again, just along the lines "it's just a movie anyway" "Sturges" seemed to be on friendly relations with stewards, etc.from past voyages, they would have recognized him, and they would not suspect there was any thing other than his being in First Class.

So yes ! .It would be rather unlikely in real life. Another case of my "much ado about nothing"

 

[Aly Jones]

Was there any type of random, surprised inspections asking for tickets in 1st and 2nd class during the voyage?

 

[Robert T. Paige]

Just another aside on just one of the other errors in ," THAT !!!!" 1953 "Titanic" movie.
In real life Titanic had not been booked to capacity . Far from it.
Sturges would have had no problems in booking passage in any class due to vacancies.
The story in the movie about having to bribe the immigrants family seems to be something concocted by the film writer for some unknown reason.
And this whole subject of someone sneaking into First Class must be dismissed as some sort of "literary license".

Reading between the lines I think the reason Sturges didn't just tell the agent at Cherbourg he was joining his wife and children and paid for himself as another passenger was that he wanted to surprise "Julia" and that he was up to her plans to escape from him and steal his children ?

I also think he might have been asked to show a First Class ticket anyway, so the whole thing can be set aside as being highly unlikely ? Again, just along the lines "it's just a movie anyway" "Sturges" seemed to be on friendly relations with stewards, etc.from past voyages, they would have recognized him, and they would not suspect there was any thing other than his being in First Class.

So yes ! .It would be rather unlikely in real life. Another case of my "much ado about nothing"

Borrowing from another thread :
Quote : " Some people have really too much phantasy." LOL

 

[Aly Jones]

Is the answer to my question in there somewhere, Robert?

 

[Robert T. Paige]

Was there any type of random, surprised inspections asking for tickets in 1st and 2nd class during the voyage?

Sorry, but I haven't had any experiences other than the visits to the ships and the stay at Hotel Queen Mary so I don't have an answer to your question.

Also the 1953 "Titanic" was my first experience of a "Titanic" movie. I must have been a bit naive at that time.
I thought that everything in the movie was factual and historically correct. LOL

Incidentally there was a slight but very low admission fee to visit the Queen Mary. Funds from the sale of admission tickets went to a "Seaman's Relief Fund".

On Titanic in 1912 :
It might have been like it was for train travel in the USA, at least back when I was in the US Navy.

I always took the train home on leave while in the Navy.
You had to show your ticket when boarding the train and the conductor would ask for you to show your ticket along the way at points in between at various times during the trip.