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Aly Jones
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That image was taken before the voyage. The lady was his friend seeing him off. Both were enjoying 1st addmities .she left the ship .
I don't know if customs or rules had or have been changed but years ago I had the opportunity of visiting. both RMS Queen Mary and SS France when they were in New York between sailings. Of course things might be different during an actual voyage and there were no rules to the contrary if just visiting, but visitors had free rein of the ships and you could explore just about any and all areas and all classes.......Which I did.I was shocked too, to find out that anyone can explore first class before the voyage. Not sure about 3rd class passengers though?
Differently she was seeing her friend off Mr.Beesley. She left the ship; not as a passenger, but as a on looker. I recall reading article on here and on FB.
Although most of the 1953 "Titanic" movie is pure Hollywood fiction, there is scene in which "Richard Ward Sturges" (Clifton Webb) walks up stairs from Steerage and walks out onto what appears to be one of the First Class Promenade Decks. He takes the sign showing "First Class Passenger Only" or something of that nature to a be-fuddled man (another fictional character) in the process telling him that he will behave properly.I think it was highly unlikely anyone snuck between classes on Titanic.
My thoughts:
We've gotten this Downton Abbey glamour idea that it was some kind of wonderful fun to sneak between classes.
In real life, you would immediately spot someone from the wrong class. Their clothes, mannerisms, and language would set them obviously apart. It's not today's culture where the guy sitting next to you in jeans and a t-shirt might be a multi-millionaire. Most people wouldn't remotely want to associate with the other classes. The culture gap was as big or bigger than anything in our society today. It would be like a rich vegan New York liberal yoga coach sneaking into a Nascar party to pal around with a bunch of drunk conservatives talking about gay people, or vice versa (or whatever stereotypical social conflict you want to use as ccx an example). There probably wasn't much envy about the carefree unrestricted life of 3rd class passengers, so much as there was pity and disgust (how can people tolerate being such lowlifes?)
Yes, for some there might be some kind of thrill, but you'd stick out like a sore thumb and most people would be appalled by the culture shock.
The opportunity to get a sneak peek at other classes was also available on land where it would be easier to come and go unseen, and there would be more interesting stuff to see than the 3rd class open space.
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One other passenger who did jump between classes:
If I recall, 2nd class passenger Eva Hart's father arranged for her to go to the 3rd class areas where they would walk the 1st class dogs. I don't doubt that no one thought she was anything other than a 2nd class passenger.
Even if they could have, I doubt they would have.But that is how one person might have done it.
Borrowing from another thread :Just another aside on just one of the other errors in ," THAT !!!!" 1953 "Titanic" movie.
In real life Titanic had not been booked to capacity . Far from it.
Sturges would have had no problems in booking passage in any class due to vacancies.
The story in the movie about having to bribe the immigrants family seems to be something concocted by the film writer for some unknown reason.
And this whole subject of someone sneaking into First Class must be dismissed as some sort of "literary license".
Reading between the lines I think the reason Sturges didn't just tell the agent at Cherbourg he was joining his wife and children and paid for himself as another passenger was that he wanted to surprise "Julia" and that he was up to her plans to escape from him and steal his children ?
I also think he might have been asked to show a First Class ticket anyway, so the whole thing can be set aside as being highly unlikely ? Again, just along the lines "it's just a movie anyway" "Sturges" seemed to be on friendly relations with stewards, etc.from past voyages, they would have recognized him, and they would not suspect there was any thing other than his being in First Class.
So yes ! .It would be rather unlikely in real life. Another case of my "much ado about nothing"![]()
Sorry, but I haven't had any experiences other than the visits to the ships and the stay at Hotel Queen Mary so I don't have an answer to your question.Was there any type of random, surprised inspections asking for tickets in 1st and 2nd class during the voyage?