Sources of Testimony


Paul Lee

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Dear all,
I have started to collate a list of testimony and first-hand information that survivors gave to the press, the enquiries, family and friends etc. The list is in a very incomplete state, partially due to my survivors list, which contains many errors. I am hoping that anyone with any sources that I might have missed would help me, even if it is correcting people's names, or adding a new source.
I am doing this for several reasons: first, because I don't believe it has been done before; secondly, because it is a useful resources, and thirdly, it would tell us who never told their stories...

Its at
http://www.btinternet.com/~dr_paul_lee/Testimony.htm

Best wishes

Paul
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Inger Sheil

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Very interesting idea, Paul! I started doing something similar with a very small portion of survivor accounts relating to the Boats under Lowe's charge - just to keep track of the material I'd already located or attempted to locate, and the thrust of what those accounts were. I'll see if I can find it in my files.

The only problem I can anticipate is that, inevitably, a lot of people intend to utilise that information for their own research, and for understandable reasons won't want to be too specific about what accounts they have in their collection. Once my own work is published I hope to make the original source material all available.

There are two written affidavits from Harold Lowe - both are in the collection of his descendants. Would a listing 'private collection' be appropriate in that case? Pitman's deposition is also still extant - the first time it came up for auction I believe it was passed in, but will have to check my notes.
 

Paul Lee

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Hi Inger,
Thanks for your reply! Yes, if thats OK, I'd put "held by relatives" or whatever you like. Is Lowe's affidavit one of the deposition taken when the crew returned to England?

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Paul Lee

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Hi Inger,
Was one of Lowe's affidavits made at the New York consulate, made in May 1912?

If you can provide any more info, I'll buy you a Phaal (as long as I can have a Dalek ice cream!)

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Inger Sheil

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Yes, that's one of them, Paul - it's the statement referred to by Leslie Reade in The Ship that Stood Still. Lowe's copy doesn't have a specific date on it - just 'May 1912', which is how it's referenced by Reade. Senan Molony in 'A Holy Grail' mentions depositions taken in NY on the 1 and 2 May. The Adriatic sailed at midday on the 2 May.

His copy of the other statement is not dated, but he does remark that:
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I have had sixteen years sea experience and have been in the White Star service for two and a half years.
We can pretty much pinpoint when he joined the WSL - he signed off his last pre-WSL ship on 18 March 1911 and his first WSL vessel sailed on 22 April 1911. The written statement would then have been taken some time around October 1913.

The Ryan v. OSC case concluded in June 1913, but there were appeals in November. There were also the Limitation of Liability hearings.

How much detail are you going into, Paul? For example, Pitman responded by letter to some specific questions by Walter Lord - he is rather terse, limiting himself to a few lines addressing exactly what Lord asked and not elaborating, but perhaps that could be considered an account as well?

I'll get the specific date for the Boxhall BBC interview as well - I spotted the notebook the other day.

Mmmmmmm...Phaal...

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Paul Lee

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Hi Inger,
Great to hear from you - and don't worry, I'll treat you to a Phaal (as long as we don't eat in the Texican Embassy again as the "food" is indescribably sh*te!)

I'm really after anything that was a first hand account by a survivor to anyone, or anything, even one word replies count! I'm constantly adding to my list- indeed, over the weekend, I have added a dozen or so "new" references.

Hmmm...I'd forgotten about the Ryan Vs. OSNC case - I'd put them in the same category as the "Limitation of Liability" column. Darn.

I only hope that when I've finished with all this, its of use to someone!

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Paul
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Inger Sheil

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Lol! I promise not to try and initiate any visits to dodgy loud Goth pubs next time around either! I'm looking forward to getting back to the UK - I'll lug some stuff over to show you.

I'll find the precise date on that Pitman letter for you, and also a few other bits and bobs. The second Lowe affidavit was made at the offices of Hill Dickinson & Co., Liverpool

There's also Lightoller's Christian Science article from October 1912 - it's been reprinted in the past in the ADB (I think Pat Cook sent it in?) and a link to the story can be found here:

http://www.csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/wit_article.pl?script/98/04/03/040398.home.relarticle.1
 

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