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Message: [QUOTE="Brian J. Ticehurst, post: 188670, member: 136734"] Alex, The Queen Mary 2 maiden voyage from Southampton will depart from 38/39 berths (in Titanic's time this was where the New York and the Oceanic were double berthed). As you know the old White Star dock was or is U shaped and it took up to eight or sometimes ten tugs to get liners such as the Queen Mary or Queen Elizabeth in and out of that dock depending on conditions. At 38/39 berth the QE2 can and has berthed and departed from that dock without the aid of any tugs. In readiness for the Queen Mary 2 the berth and departure area is having a multi million pound makeover to bring it in line with todays standards. The whole port of Southampton is very very busy these days. Best regards Brian J. Ticehurst - Southampton [/QUOTE]