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People can be very strange about vaccinations. Here, thanks to people believing that the MMR jab causes autism, we now have an upsurge in measles, and pregnant women are at risk of getting rubella from their older children. And just think about those poor men who get mumps as adults in future!

Even the nurse at my GP told me she hadn't decided whether to have the swine 'flu jab because of the 'risk' that it hadn't been tested enough, and she was worried about (the rare) Guillain Barre syndrome - this as she was sticking the needle into me. I told her that if she wasn't going to have it, I certainly was, if it meant I wouldn't catch it from her. She agreed that I had a point.

These anti-inoculation people don't seem to understand herd immunity and think it's just a personal decision. My sister told me that, when she lived in the USA, her children couldn't start school without their immunisation certificates. Excellent idea, in my opinion. And if anyone thinks it's a personal decision, just ask an African parent who's lost a child to measles whether s(he) thinks immunisation should be a matter of choice.
 
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If you all want to know what and above all, who is behind the anti-vaccination movement...to say nothing of who's backing it up (Trial lawyers!) read The Skeptical Inquirer article The Anti-Vaccination Movement at http://www.csicop.org/si/show/anti-vaccination_movement

As to the Swine Flu Vaccine, so much of the controversey is entirely manufactured, it isn't even funny. There's nothing in any way different about how it's manufactured from any other flu vaccine. In fact, had this strain manifested itself last year around the November/December time frame, it would have simply been included with the seasonal vaccine and we never would have heard word one about it.
 
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From MSNBC:

Drug-resistant H1N1 no major change in virus
GENEVA - Tamiflu resistance in some H1N1 patients with badly weakened immune systems does not seem to reflect a major change in the virus' susceptibility to the frontline drug, the World Health Organization said on Thursday.
More at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34164475/ns/health-cold_and_flu/

From Global Security.org:

WHO Studying Swine Flu Mutations
The World Health Organization says it is investigating possible mutations in the H1N1 swine flu virus following reports of mutations from at least six countries.
More at http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2009/11/sec-091126-voa02.htm
 
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From Global Security.org:

Saudi Health Minister: Five Swine Flu Deaths During Hajj
Saudi Arabia's health minister said Sunday that five people had died from swine flue during the annual Hajj. They were among 73 confirmed cases.

Fears of a major outbreak of swine flu during the annual Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca have not materialized, according to Saudi Health Minister Abdullah al-Rabeeah.
More at http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2009/11/sec-091129-voa02.htm

From MSNBC:

Employers play Dr. Mom to limit flu impact
TRENTON, N.J. - Big businesses are spending serious time and money trying to limit the swine flu pandemic’s impact on operations, from bankrolling video on good hygiene to training employees to cover for co-workers with critical jobs.
More at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34153052/ns/business-us_business/
 
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Read in the paper here that the Saudi government had asked our government to prioritise Haj pilgrims for innoculation. Hmmm. Don't think that would be very well received really. I mean, don't go this year. Go next year maybe, when people have immunity and vaccines are widely available. Apparently the Saudis had said that without a vaccination certificate, pilgrims wouldn't be allowed in. Seems fair enough, given all the problems they have to face annually anyway.

My swine 'flu jab is this Friday. Checked with the nurse - she's had hers after some dithering. I'm told the boss glared at them all, wielding the syringe no doubt, and told them all not to be ridiculous. No jab - no job. Not sure that's legal, but no matter.
 
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>>No jab - no job. Not sure that's legal, but no matter.<<

Condition for employment clause may well apply. While granting that "The Good Old Days" were not all that good, once upon a time when it came to health issues, there wouldn't have even been a debate. Quarantines were used and the public health authorities had the juice to make it stick and a willingness to use it.

Hells bells, people may have rights, but there is no right to put others at risk, and I have a right to not be infected by somebody who is if it can at all be prevented.
 
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From MSNBC:

U.S. to review disaster plan in wake of H1N1
WASHINGTON - Stung by the continuing struggle to make a vaccine against the swine flu pandemic, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said on Tuesday her department would review its approach to disaster preparedness.

The goal, Sebelius said, will be streamlined regulations that will speed the approval of new technologies that are promoted through government contracts with private companies.
More at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34225148/ns/health-cold_and_flu/

Comment: All things considered, reviewing the plans is a good idea. Fixing them so they actually work would be even better!
 
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From MSNBC:

Sick kids getting faster swine flu treatment
WASHINGTON - More than 80 percent of U.S. children severely ill with H1N1 flu have been treated swiftly with antiviral drugs, a trend that could be saving lives, U.S. health officials said on Friday.

Public education campaigns about swine flu have translated into quicker and better treatment with Tamiflu, Roche AG and Gilead Sciences Inc's influenza pill, they said.
More at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34280091/ns/health-cold_and_flu/
 
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From MSNBC:

Don’t let swine flu crash your holiday bash
Is it safe to party when swine flu threatens to crash your bash?

It's a question many revelers may be asking this year as the holiday party season coincides with an anxiety-provoking flu season.

The good news is that while it is true that mingling over punch and canapes can help spread the H1N1 virus, health and entertaining experts say it's possible to throw a holiday party without making everyone wear surgical masks and hazmat suits.
More at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33450637/ns/health-cold_and_flu/

Comment: Skip the guacamole they say. I skip it anyway!
 
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From MSNBC:

H1N1 may be mildest pandemic on record
With the second wave of H1N1 infections having crested in the United States, leading epidemiologists are predicting that the pandemic could end up ranking as the mildest since modern medicine began documenting influenza outbreaks.

Experts warn that the flu is notoriously unpredictable, but several recent analyses, including one released late Monday, indicate that the death toll is likely to be far lower than the number of fatalities caused by past pandemics.
More at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34323690/ns/health-more_health_news/

Comment: However, a possible late winter third wave could throw all of this down the loo.
 
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From Global Security.org:

North Korea Confirms Swine Flu Infections, South Vows Speedy Aid
North Korea has confirmed for the first time that it has found cases of the H1N1 flu virus. South Korea is treating the issue as a matter above politics, saying it is ready to send unconditional aid to help fight the outbreak.

North Korea confirmed Wednesday it has at least nine cases of the H1N1 flu, commonly known as swine flu.
More at http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2009/12/sec-091209-voa01.htm

Comment: What's remarkable about this is North Korea's willingness to even admit in public that they have a problem.
 
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From MSNBC:

Nearly 10,000 U.S. deaths caused by swine flu
Swine flu has caused nearly 10,000 deaths in the United States, part of an outbreak that has infected about 50 million Americans, government health officials said Thursday.

The deaths as of mid-November included about 1,100 children and 7,500 younger adults, said Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. About 200,000 people have been hospitalized, he noted.
More at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34365895/ns/health-cold_and_flu/

From Global Security.org:

Swine flu toll across India reaches 655
New Delhi, Dec 10, IRNA -- With the four more persons died due to swine flu in India, nationwide toll in the pandemic reaches 655.
More at http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2009/12/sec-091210-irna01.htm

Comment: A most interesting contrast here.
 
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From Global Security.org:

Global swine flu death toll rises to some 9,600 - WHO
MOSCOW, December 11 (RIA Novosti) - Some 800 people died from the À/H1N1 virus in the first week of December, bringing the death toll to 9,596, the World Health Organization (WHO) said in a statement on Friday.
More at http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2009/12/sec-091211-rianovosti01.htm

Comment: I guess the WHO missed the claim by the CDC about nearly 10,000 deaths in the U.S. alone.
 
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From Global Security.org:

Georgia reports first lethal case of swine flu
TBILISI, December 13 (RIA Novosti) - A 27-year-old man died in a Georgian hospital after he was diagnosed with A/H1N1 virus, becoming the first citizen of the former Soviet state to die of swine flu, the health minister said.
More at http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2009/12/sec-091213-rianovosti01.htm

From MSNBC:

Soldiers get mass H1N1 shots before holidays
FORT JACKSON, S.C. - Thousands of Army recruits in training have to line up at least once more before heading home for the holidays – for mass inoculations of hundreds at a time against swine flu.
More at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34382619/ns/health-cold_and_flu/
 

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