Nick Guzan
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What was the style of each stateroom or suite in first class and what id it look like? Also, what numbers were each style?
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Staterooms styles
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William Armour Murdoch
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Nick, I am asking the same question I am inquiring about a First Class Passenger who occupied A-32 next cabin to Lady Duff Gordon and maid with Lord DG just aft.
A matter of interest I noted in other messages, no matter what class, the occupants apparently were troubled by the smell of wet oil paint!
Armour
A matter of interest I noted in other messages, no matter what class, the occupants apparently were troubled by the smell of wet oil paint!
Armour
Lester Mitcham
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Armour,
There was a group of 4 rooms (A-22; A-24; A-26; A-28 between) A-16/A-20 and A-32. Of the two rooms A-16/A-20 it is generally acepted that Sir Cosmo Duff-Gordon (not Lord Duff-Gordon) was in the forward room A-16. He and Lady Duff-Gordon booked separately. Lady Duff-Gordon's maid is listed as being in E-36. With regard to the other 4 rooms A-24 was occupied by Washington Roebling and A-26 by Oberst (=Colonel) Alfons Simonius-Blumer. Even closer neighbours of Hugh Rood were the Washington Dodges who were directly across the athwartship passageway in A-34.
I hope this helps,
Lester
There was a group of 4 rooms (A-22; A-24; A-26; A-28 between) A-16/A-20 and A-32. Of the two rooms A-16/A-20 it is generally acepted that Sir Cosmo Duff-Gordon (not Lord Duff-Gordon) was in the forward room A-16. He and Lady Duff-Gordon booked separately. Lady Duff-Gordon's maid is listed as being in E-36. With regard to the other 4 rooms A-24 was occupied by Washington Roebling and A-26 by Oberst (=Colonel) Alfons Simonius-Blumer. Even closer neighbours of Hugh Rood were the Washington Dodges who were directly across the athwartship passageway in A-34.
I hope this helps,
Lester
Mark Chirnside
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I thought I'd post this detailed first class stateroom description of Olympic by a Cunard spy as she was outfitted in August 1911:
'1st class: ...the corridors to the best class of rooms on B and C decks are framed up with pillasters and fielded panels. The framing of all other sections of the first class cabins is made up of machined stiles and long plain panels. The floors of all the corridors, the entrances, gymnasium, saloon, smoke-room and veranda cafés are covered with rubber cork linoleum tiles...'
'1st class: ...the corridors to the best class of rooms on B and C decks are framed up with pillasters and fielded panels. The framing of all other sections of the first class cabins is made up of machined stiles and long plain panels. The floors of all the corridors, the entrances, gymnasium, saloon, smoke-room and veranda cafés are covered with rubber cork linoleum tiles...'
Daniel Klistorner
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Thanx Mark, the descriptions are great, does anyone know what the above described actually looked like? Did the Cameron movie depict the corridors correctly? Are there any pictures that survive of these corridors? I guess Ken Marschall might have some. Eric Sauder ... any suggestions?
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Mark Chirnside
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I'll soon post some more descriptions; even the marble sink slabs, shower heads and lavatory lights were described, as well as the Turkish bath enamelling, third and second class.
Daniel,
In answer to your question, no, Cameron must have depicted the carpets incorrectly. On Page 32 of "James Cameron's Titanic" there is a large photograph of a first class corridor section on B-deck. Although the "pilasters and fielded panels" appear to have been accounted for, Camerons corridors are carpeted with a pink floral pattern.
contrary to the legend that the first class rooms were "richly carpeted", it seems the "linoeleum tile" scheme carried through to Titanic. The Titanic's trump card, however, appears to have been the colour and decoration of these tiles, particularly in the smoking room and dining saloon in first class
This is a good find Mark. Where did you manage to dig this up?
Regards,
Ben
In answer to your question, no, Cameron must have depicted the carpets incorrectly. On Page 32 of "James Cameron's Titanic" there is a large photograph of a first class corridor section on B-deck. Although the "pilasters and fielded panels" appear to have been accounted for, Camerons corridors are carpeted with a pink floral pattern.
contrary to the legend that the first class rooms were "richly carpeted", it seems the "linoeleum tile" scheme carried through to Titanic. The Titanic's trump card, however, appears to have been the colour and decoration of these tiles, particularly in the smoking room and dining saloon in first class
This is a good find Mark. Where did you manage to dig this up?
Regards,
Ben
Nigel Bryant
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To all,
In JC's Titanic set the corridor's floor is also linoleum tiled. If you look under the rug, you can see a white linoleum floor. I don't know exactly what these corridors looked like in the real Titanic, but I belive that having narrow rugs is a possibility because carpet would produce a softer bounce when walking down those long corridors. Rubber tiles do make a louder noise when walking on them than carpet.
Look in "James Cameron's Titanic" book for the picture of the corridor. It is a great book.
Regards Nigel
In JC's Titanic set the corridor's floor is also linoleum tiled. If you look under the rug, you can see a white linoleum floor. I don't know exactly what these corridors looked like in the real Titanic, but I belive that having narrow rugs is a possibility because carpet would produce a softer bounce when walking down those long corridors. Rubber tiles do make a louder noise when walking on them than carpet.
Look in "James Cameron's Titanic" book for the picture of the corridor. It is a great book.
Regards Nigel
Mark Chirnside
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This is a good find Mark. Where did you manage to dig this up?
In my research about Aquitania, now that I've researched my book, Cunard sent this person onboard Olympic to document everything. I sometimes wonder how he got in the engine room and dummy funnel, etc.
The lavatory lights went on and off with the doors to save electricity which was a very good idea.
In my research about Aquitania, now that I've researched my book, Cunard sent this person onboard Olympic to document everything. I sometimes wonder how he got in the engine room and dummy funnel, etc.
The lavatory lights went on and off with the doors to save electricity which was a very good idea.
Mark Chirnside
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Further quotes about some areas:
N.B. other sources state corridors being carpetted for Titanic; but the second class public rooms, or some of them, were definately carpetted on Olympic contrary to this man's description.
Best regards,
Mark.
N.B. other sources state corridors being carpetted for Titanic; but the second class public rooms, or some of them, were definately carpetted on Olympic contrary to this man's description.
Best regards,
Mark.
Nigel Bryant
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They are really good descriptions of some of the rooms on the Olympic. Thankyou Mark for those descriptions and also thanks to the spy, if it was not for him or her we may never had a good description of specfic rooms onboard the Olympic. I also expands our minds on what the Titanic looked like as well.
Keep up the good work Mark.
Regards Nigel
Keep up the good work Mark.
Regards Nigel
Daniel Klistorner
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Can't find the quote now, but it comes from Violet Jessop. The new rubber tiles used on Titanic were softer than those on Olympic and would have certainly been more comfortable to walk on, so I guess perhaps carpets were not used ...
With the lavatories ... was one required to keep the door open in order to keep the lights on whilst using the facilities ... can just imagine how popular this would have been
Daniel.
With the lavatories ... was one required to keep the door open in order to keep the lights on whilst using the facilities ... can just imagine how popular this would have been
Daniel.
Mark Chirnside
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Daniel,
I know you're joking on that one - next you'll say that people had to hold the door closed at the same time because the locks didn't work!
Seriously, lights went on when you closed the door behind you, and went off when you opened the door and left. That was a good idea. Like everything else on Olympic.
Thank you Mark for those descriptions and also thanks to the spy, if it was not for him or her we may never had a good description of specfic rooms onboard the Olympic.
It was a fascinating report to find - as if Leonard Peskett had known that I would want the information ninety years later!? Spooky....
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I know you're joking on that one - next you'll say that people had to hold the door closed at the same time because the locks didn't work!
Seriously, lights went on when you closed the door behind you, and went off when you opened the door and left. That was a good idea. Like everything else on Olympic.
Thank you Mark for those descriptions and also thanks to the spy, if it was not for him or her we may never had a good description of specfic rooms onboard the Olympic.
It was a fascinating report to find - as if Leonard Peskett had known that I would want the information ninety years later!? Spooky....
Kyrila Scully
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Daniel, That quote was indeed from Violet Jessop's memoirs, and she added that the new flooring did not help, but hinder the victualizing crew. Thomas Andrews had originally installed it to ease their leg pain, but it didn't work, and they felt bad about having to tell him so, because they knew he was thinking of their needs when he installed it. But having learned that it had the opposite effect, he was planning to use some other flooring on Brittanic. Linoleum flooring was a brand new invention in those days, affordable only to the rich. See if you can find a wealthy person today who has linoleum in their house!
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Jack Addington
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