Stewardesses

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Craig Stringer

Member
Dear Hildo,
Can I ask why you wish to omit Mrs Bliss from the group photo. The photograph was taken on the return of survivors to Britain, while they were being detained by the British authorities and while they were all interviewed. Mrs Bliss signed off the ship's articles, and from an interview in the Daily Mirror, we know returned with the other stewardess to Britain. Surely she could also be one of those in the photograph ?
Regards
Craig
 
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Hildo Thiel

Member
Dear Craig,

I didn't know that Mrs. Bliss returned to England, with the others. In her biography in Encyclopedia Titanica stood that she settled down in Canada. But know we know she came back to Britain, so we put her on the list too.

Thanks for the information.

Kind regards,

Hildo
 
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Daniel Rosenshine

Guest
Hi Everyone,

I can't believe I so stupidly misread the quote for the photo in Illustrated “London News.” The caption said (on the right) is Mrs. Slocumbe whilst I thought it said “…stewardess and (on "her" right) is Mrs. Slocumbe .” So now we have it solved.

The woman in full black attire I agree looks like Sloan, so we can presume that is her. So the other woman in the gray coat and right next to Jessop is Mrs. Slocumbe. In the ILN caption, it does not say that Slocumbe was a stewardess, she is described as the Turkish bath manageress, which I guess is similar or the same as masseuse.

We can solve this stewardess mystery and obtain their names. However before we proceed we must clear something.

We know 20 of them survived and 13 are on the photo. Are all that traveled to Plymouth on the photo or are some not posing? If all that arrived at Plymouth are on the photo, then we can try and obtain a list of those that arrived aboard the Lapland in May.

Does anyone know in what manner the crew traveled? Were they passengers or were they shipped under other conditions?

Daniel.
 
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Craig Stringer

Member
Dear All,
I have checked my copies of the signing off lists, which I have from the PRO. All the surviving women crew signed off on April 30th 1912. The stewardesses, and Turkish Bath attendants are listed together. The Restaurant Cashiers, are listed at the end.
Regards
Craig
 
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Hildo Thiel

Member
Dear everyone,

We know now the identity of four stewardesses and Turkish bath attendants on the photo.

Miss Jessop, the third from left.
Miss Sloan, the one in the middle of the front row.
Mrs. Slocombe, the one left of Miss Sloan.
Mrs. Robinson, the one in the middle of the back row.

For the second on the right we have named two names:
Miss Prichard and Mrs. McLaren. I agree with Craig and I think it is Miss Prichard. So can we identify her as Miss Prichard?

Now we have 8 stewardesses without a name.

Is it possible that the stewardess on the right of Mrs. Robinson is Mrs. Gold? And the one right of Miss Prichard (?) is Mrs. McLaren?

In the same book there is a picture of Mrs. Gold and Mrs. McLaren. The one on the right of Mrs. Robinson looks like Mrs. Gold.

Kind Regards,

Hildo
 
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Chris Dohany

Member
For what it's worth, I agree that the woman to the left of "Prichard" bears a resemblance to McLaren, based on the undated photo of her on pg 68 of Titanic Voices. The shape of the face and particularly the nose appear similar.
 
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Craig Stringer

Member
Dear All,
I agree that the woman next to Mrs Robinson may well be Kate Gold. If that is the case could it be that she is standing beside Annie Martin. The two ladies were good friends, and had been, I understand, for a number of years. The ladies were interviewed together following the disaster. Just a thought !
Regards
Craig
 
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Daniel Rosenshine

Guest
Ok, now we have Jessop, Slocumbe, Sloan and Prichard in the front Row nad possibly McLaren, the farthest on the right of the photo (am I right?).

On the back row we have Robinson and I agree that the woman on Robinson's left has striking resemblances to Gold.

Yes, apparently all 20 sailed to Plymouth aboard the Lapland, so that's going to be of no help at all.

If all above names match the right faces, then we have 6 to go. There is a photo of Marsden on ET, but I'm not so good at comparing photos. Can anyone match the Marsden photo from ET to the stewardess group photo? Keep in mind though, that Marsden may well not be on the photo.

Has anyone noticed, Jessop seems to be wearing a mourning band on the left arm of her coat? Doesn't look like anyone else is.

Daniel.
 
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Hildo Thiel

Member
Hello everyone,

Miss Jessop is wearing a mourning band, but she is not the only one. The stewardess on the right of Miss Prichard, Mrs. McLaren? is wearing a mourning band too.

The stewardess between Miss Sloan and Miss Prichard, could be Miss Marsden but I'm not sure.

We have now identified:
Front row:
- Miss Jessop;
- Mrs. Slocumbe;
- Miss Sloan;
- ?
- Miss Prichard;
- Maybe, Mrs. McLaren ?

Back row:
- ?
- ?
- ?
- ?
- Mrs. Robinson
- Mrs. Gold
- ?

The names of Mrs. Martin and Mrs. Roberts are named as possible for any of the six unnamed stewardesses. And maybe is Mrs. Martin the stewardess next to Mrs. Gold.

Kind Regards,

Hildo
 
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Daniel Rosenshine

Guest
If the stewardess is McLaren, the "mourning band" is only a series of folds in her coat that make it look like a mourning band. I've had a look at it before I posted my previous post.

Daniel.
 
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Hildo Thiel

Member
Dear Daniel,

Your right, Miss Jessop is the only one with a mourning band.

Kind regards,

Hildo
 
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Hildo Thiel

Member
Dear Board members,

At the moment no new information on the photo of stewardesses in Plymouth.

Six names are for sure: Miss Jessop, Mrs. Slocumbe, Miss Sloan and Miss Prichard on the front row. Mrs. Robinson and Mrs. Gold on the back row.

For the other two stewardesses on the front row, we have a possible name: The one between Miss Sloan and Miss Prichard, looks like Miss Marsden, I'm not sure, but she looks like the photo of Miss Marsden in ET. The stewardess on the right, next to Miss Prichard looks like the photo of Mrs. McLaren in Titanic Voices on page 68.

And the name of Mrs. Martin is named for the stewardess next to Mrs. Gold. I think that could be true, but we must have some evidence for that fact.

I've another question for the board:

Some of the stewardesses where married and had children.
Two of the stewardesses who died had children: Mrs. Lucy Violet Snape nee Lennard had a young daughter.
Mrs. Catherine Jane Wallis nee Moore, had four children, two daughters and two sons.

Had any of the surviving stewardesses children?

We know that Miss Prichard had a young daughter.

What are the maiden names of Mrs. Mabel Bennet,
Mrs. Kate Gold, Mrs. Elizabeth Leather, Mrs. Annie Martin, Mrs. Annie Robinson and Mrs. Maude Slocumbe?

kind regards,

Hildo,
 
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Andrew Rogers

Guest
Hi Daniel and G'day all,
I'm sorry for writing a few lines at the start of this thread and then clearing out on you all.
I'm a computer dummy and I had problems that held me up until my little brother could come and fix them.
Daniel, yes it was me who won the place on the expedition in '98. I do a few talks and presentations but mostly around Sydney. Where are you? Anyway get in touch and I'll tell you what is coming up. My e-mail is [email protected]
I have not yet had a chance to read all the recent messages on this subject but it looks interesting!
Bye for now,
Andrew.
 
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Hildo Thiel

Member
Hello, everyone,

I have the information about the stewardesses you all send and from the books worked out.

Mrs. Mabel Bennett, 30 years of age. She was born in Hampshire. She was married. Her ship before Titanic was Olympic. She lived in Southampton on 22 Cranbury Avenue. She left Titanic in lifeboat 5.

Mrs. Emma Bliss nee Junod, 45 years of age. She was married with Ernest John Bliss. She was born 09-05-1866 in Switzerland. Her ship before Titanic was Majestic. She lived at 56 up park rd, New Southgate. She left Titanic in lifeboat 15. After the disaster she settled down in Canada. She died on 18-06-1959 (93).

Miss Ruth Bowker, 27 years of age. She was born in Ware.She was not married. She was the first cashier of the restaurant. She lived at The Cottage, Little Sutton, Cheshire and her adress in London was 2 Hand Road, Brompton Road. Her ship before Titanic was Olympic. She left Titanic in lifeboat 6.

Miss Annie Caton, 50 years of age and born in London. Titanic was her first ship. She was not married. She lived at 50 Highbury Hill, London. She left Titanic in boat 11.

Mrs. Katherine Gold, 40 years of age and was born in London. She lived in Glenthorne, Bassett. She was married and before she joined Titanic she served aboard Olympic. She left Titanic in lifeboat 11.

Miss Mary Gregson, 40 years of age, was born in Liverpool. She was not married and her last ship was Olympic. She lived at 28 Lawland Road Southampton. She left Titanic in lifeboat 16.

Miss Violet Constance Jessop, was born on 02-10-1887 in Buenos Aires, Argentina. She was the eldest and five brothers and sisters. Her family later moved to England. Her father was a sheep farmer. She follow in the steps of her mother who was a stewardess too. Her ship before Titanic was Olympic. She shared a cabin on Titanic with Elizabeth Leather. She lived at 71 Shirley Road, Bedford Park, London. She left Titanic with lifeboat 16. She was aboard the Olympic when it collide with the Hawke and aboard Brittanic when it was hit by a torpedo. Miss Jessop died in 1971, she was 84.

Miss Bessie Lavington, was born in Wells, she was 39 years of age. Before she served on Titanic, she served on Olympic. She was not married. She lived at Manor Farm, Headbourne Road, Winchester. She left Titanic in lifeboat 11.

Mrs. Elizabeth Leather, was 41 years of age and born in Liverpool. She was married and lived at 28 Park Road, Port Sunlight, Liverpool. Her ship before Titanic was Olympic. She left Titanic in lifeboat 16.

Miss Evelyn Marsden, was 28 years of age, she was born on 15-10-1883 in Australia. She was not married. Her ship before Titanic was Olympic. She lived at 7 West Marlands Terrace, Polygon, Southampton. She left Titanic in lifeboat 16. Shortly after the disaster she married with Dr. William Abel James. They moved to Australia. They had no children. Miss Marsden died on 30-05-1938.

Mrs. Annie Martin, was 33 years of age and was born in Guernsey. She was married and lived on Posbrook Road in Portsmouth. Her ship before Titanic was Olympic. She was rescued in lifeboat 11.

Miss Margaret E. Martin, was 20 years of age. She was the second cashier of the restaurant. She lived at 1 Apsley Villa, Horn Lane, Acton London. She left Titanic in lifeboat 6.

Mrs. H. McLaren nee Allsop, was 40 years of age and was born in Liverpool. She was married and lived at 9 Shirley Road, Southampton. Her brother Frank Allsop was also aboard Titanic. Her ship before Titanic was Romanic. She left Titanic in lifeboat 5. Her brother died.

Miss Alice Prichard, was 33 years of age and was born in London. She was not married, but had one daughter. She lived at 9 Rosslyn Road, East Ham, London. Her ship before Titanic was Minnehaha. She left Titanic with lifeboat 11.

Mrs. Mary Keziah Roberts nee Humphreys, was born on 19-10-1870 in Liverpool. She was in 1912 41 years of age. In 1896 she married David Roberts and they had 5 children. She lived at 9 chestnut Gr. Nottingham. Her ship before Titanic was Adriatic. She left Titanic in lifeboat 16. She died on 02-01-1933, she was 61 years old.

Mrs. Annie Robinson, was 40 years of age and was born in Bedford. She was married and lived at 128 Shirley Road, Southampton. Her ship before Titanic was S. Manitoba. She left Titanic in lifeboat 11.

Mrs. Mary J. Sloan, was 28 years of age and was from Belfast. She was not married. She left the ship in lifeboat 12.

Mrs. Maude, Slocombe, was 30 years of age and was born in London. She was married and lived at 8 Leopold Terrace, Tottenham Londen. Her ship before Titanic was Olympic. She left Titanic in lifeboat 11.

Miss Katherine E. Smith, was 42 years of age and was born in Gloucestershire. She was not married and lived at Balmoral, Cebbett Road, Southampton. She left Titanic in lifeboat 11.

Mrs. Lucy Violet Snape nee Lennard, was 22 years of age. She lived at Well Lane, Sandown. She was a widow, with a little daughter. Titanic was her first ship. She died.

Miss Agnes Sarah Stap, was 46 years of age, she was born at sea. She was not married, she lived at 41 Bidstan Avanue, Cloughton, Birkenhead. Her ship before Titanic was Olympic. She was rescued in lifeboat 11. She died on 27-03-1937, she was 72.

Mrs. Catherine Jane Wallis nee Moore, was 35 years of age and was born in Hampshire. She married Richard James Wallis and they had four children, 2 daughters and 2 sons. Mr. Wallis died 1911. Mrs. Wallis lived at 23 St. Mary's Place, Southampton. Her ship before Titanic was Oceanic.
Mrs. Wallis died.

Miss Katherine Walsh, was 32 years of age, she was born in Ireland. She lived at 57 Church Road, Woolston, Southampton. Miss Walsh died.

Mrs. Annie Robinson, Mrs. Katherine Gold, Miss Violet Jessop, Mrs. Maude Slocumbe, Miss Mary Sloan and Miss Alice Prichard, are on the picture of stewardesses posing in Plymouth.

Mrs. H. McLaren, is maybe on the picture.

The names of Mrs. Mary Roberts, Mrs. Annie Martin and Miss Evelyn Marsden are named as possible on the picture.

This the information I have for so far. Is there any new information?

Regards,

Hildo
 
Phillip Gowan

Phillip Gowan

RIP
Hildo,
Just a few additions--Miss McLaren was Harriet Allsop McLaren.

Maud Slocombe's maiden name was Walden and she married a Walden--second marriage was to Slocombe. She did have a son who lived in New York and died about 25 years ago, not long after Maud herself died. I have several great photos of her in later years--not a good-looking woman, but an interesting looking woman--bet she was a good masseuse!

Also, although Violet Jessop died as Miss Violet Jessop--she had been married. Her husband, who was an old bachelor of 46 at the time of their marriage, was a mariner in the merchant service who lived at the Parker's Hotel in Southampton when they met. Her husband's father had also been a Master Mariner--so seafaring appears to have been in the blood of all involved. They married in a Catholic ceremony, but that did not prevent a divorce after about a year. There were no children.

I hope this is of interest.

Phillip
 
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