Styles of staterooms

[Rolf Vonk]

Hi there,
I remember seeing a part of the muppet show last week. Kermit was singing a song (lovesong) with a lovely television star...Tough I can't remember the title of the song.
Tracy asked something about the difference between first and second class cabins. I believe that the first class passengers on E deck only had cold water running in their cabins. Or am I wrong?
Rollie

 

[Charles Provost]

I can say that you're wrong.

 

[Daniel Rosenshine]

Hello,

Ok folks, please read the title of this discussion "Styles of staterooms" not "The Muppet Show!" We might ask Phil to get you a Muppet Show discussion on ET, however it will be entirely irrelevant ...

Anyway, I know her name is Muffet, I didn't realize I made that mistake until it was too late. No Charles, unfortunately I did not contact her, she said this elsewhere on ET, when she was asking if Molly's cabin was decorated in any decor style, I think it's in the cabin section.

I wouldn't say Rolf is wrong. All cabins on A, B, C and D decks did have H & C running water, however not all cabins on E deck did. Either none of them did, or I believe all cabins up to and including E42 did have hot and cold water.

Daniel.

 

[Charles Provost]

Well, Daniel you're right. Here's what it says on my first class accomodation plan:

“All staterooms on Boat, A, B, C, D Decks are fitted with hot and cold water supply.”

I have no clue for E-deck. I guess they didn't have running hot water.

 

[Daniel Rosenshine]

I think they didn't include E deck as certainly not all cabins had h&c water, however it isn’t even mentioned which cabins - if any - had hot water. Originally only cabins up to E42 were part of first class, so I found it hard to believe that those cabins would not have had the extra luxuries, despite being first class.

Perhaps they didn't. Like I said, if any had h&c water it would have been cabins up to E42, otherwise as I'm lead to believe at the moment, none on E deck had hot water.

Daniel.

 

[Nigel Bryant]

Hi, I was watching the 1997 Titanic movie and I was wondering if they had any photographs of the millionaire suite, B-52-54-56. There must have been some photographic archive of those rooms since Cameron faithfully recreated these rooms in detail.I have seen a photograph of the private promenade which belonged to the suite. But it looks quite bare to the Cameron replica. Was this private promenade when the photo was taken still been fitted out with the ivy plants and the trellis? Is there any photographs of the actual staterooms-B54-B56?
Thank you

Regards Nigel Bryant

 

[Rolf Vonk]

Hi Nigel,

I thought that Cameron's sittingroom wasn't fully correct. I believe he pushed some styles together in one and so he created his final sittingroom. That means that the movie sittingroom isn't correct.

I don't know if there were pictures of that sittingroom aboard Titanic. Maybe there was a picture from a suiteroom in the same style aboard Olympic.

I thought the interior of the private promenade which Cameron uses was also incorrect. According to a picture, there were no palmtreas in the promenade and I can't see those ivy-grown walls eather. The only plants in the picture are some hughe Ficus Benjamina (latin name).

I'm not sure about the suiterooms in the movie, but I believe they were incorrect too. I've read that Cameron just used some styles. For example Roses suite is decorated in Dutch renaissance. It has red walls in the movie. As you maybe know the Ryerson suite B59 was in the same style, but the walls were blue in that cabin. I'm not sure if the Dutch Renaissance suites had different wall colours. Maybe there's someone else who can tell you more about it.

Hope this helps,

Rollie

 

[Rolf Vonk]

Hi Nigel,

Cameron had a photographic archive, but for the most parts of the ships he only used them to have some idea of how the different parts may have looked like. So remember he didn't made a real copy of Titanic! The book "James Camerons Titanic" gives you much of these informations.

You're right about the diffent styles. Cameron took some ideas from real pictures. Only the wall colours are different from the real ones. I must warn you that the suitepicture in Leo Marriott's Titanic isn't B38. B38 is a misprint. The suiteroom in the picture is B58. I don't know if you have the Titanic deckplans (not from Olympic) or the detailed first class deckplan, but when you look at them you can see that B38 was no suiteroom, but a stateroom.

Hope this helps. I'm looking forward to your responses!

Greetings Rollie

 

[Nigel Bryant]

To Rollie
I have heard also in the 1997 Titanic movie, that Molly Brown's stateroom did not look like that on the real ship.It was more like Father Brownes.But that style in the movie must of been a decor in other staterooms? I guess maybe on B-deck.Is this right?
Regards Nigel

 

[Daniel Rosenshine]

Hi,

Nigel, I believe the answer to your most recent question is in this discussion, above.

I don't know about Cameron's thought process, but the lack of a Titanic interior archive shouldn't have stopped Cameron from recreating a correct sitting room and promenade. The picture you refer to from the three sister book is of Olympic's C57, which was a sitting room and looked exactly like Titanic's C55. I believe Cameron simply chose the best looking style and decorated his B52 with it.

It is known that B52 was decorated in Louis XVI. Olympic's archive and a photo of Titanic's promenade confirms that.

The photo of the promenade that you have is during it's fitting out and yes it does look 'undernourished'.

I don't know where you guys get "Dutch Renaissance". As far as I know that style of cabin was simply called Old Dutch. There was an "Italian Renaissance" which was a totally different style.

All the best,

Daniel.

 

[Rolf Vonk]

Hi guys,

Nigel and Daniel, did you mean that the sittingroom in the 1997 movie was decorated exactly in the Louis XVI style?? I have here a book of the Cameron movie and it says that Cameron used different styles to create his sittingroom, because there was no picture of the real Titanic-suiteroom B52. This was according to Cameron also the reason that the suiteroom wasn't fully correct. He helped himself with some Olympic pictures, though he used them only to get an idea.

About the promenade: there are several pictures of it, and I wonder if they are all taken during fitting.

Daniel, you're right about the Dutch renaissance style. Though I believed I read it somewhere. But it looks better to call it Old Dutch.

Any thoughts about this? I'm looking forward to your responses!

Greetings Rollie

 

[Nigel Bryant]

To all, Thanks for the information.
So the decor of the sitting room in B-52 was really meant to look like B38 which is decorated in Louis XVI style.This sitting room on B-deck is pictured in Leo Marriott's Titanic book as well on pg 47.
Thanks for clearing that up. It has puzzled me for quite some time.

Regards Nigel Bryant

 

[Daniel Rosenshine]

Aaaahhhh,

Sorry, you gotta be careful with the captions from those books, they're incorrect.

The B38 is NOT B38, Marriott has incorrectly captioned it that way, it was meant to be B58.

B38 was a plain cabin. B58 was a suite room. Yes B58 was decorated in Louis XVI, style, but it was different to B52.

The sitting room in Marriott's book on pg. 47, is also incorrectly captioned as Louis XVI (Louis Seize). This sitting room is actually in Louis XIV style (Louis Quatorze). That is what Astor's C62 looked like. This is Olympic's C56 (the same location as Titanic's C62, but the numbering on Olympic was different).

Daniel.

 

[Nigel Bryant]

Hi all,
I am refering to the photo of the Private Promenade with B-52's sitting room door showing.
The furniture looks a bit muddled and disorganised. Was this the true layout of the funiture layout or had it not been organised yet?

Regards Nigel

 

[Nick Guzan]

Nigel,
I saw a picture of the private promenade on the Olympic and it looked like the furniture was all facing the ocean, and very organized.
Nick