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Survivors who survived other ship wrecks

Discussion in 'Passenger Research' started by Andrew Maheux, Jan 5, 2003.

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  1. Andrew Maheux

    Andrew Maheux Member

  2. Lucy Duff Gordon, nee Sutherland, survived a shipwreck at the age of 11-12 with her mother, Mrs. David Kennedy, and sister Elinor when sailing from the Isle of Jersey to England in about 1875. I have never known the name of the ship so would love it if someone could help me with that. All that I know about this accident comes from Lucy's and her sister's autobiographies. The ship was caught in a ferocious storm while still in the Channel Islands and was wrecked on the Casquet Rocks near Guernsey (sp?). It's bow lodged in the rocks, it gradually began breaking apart and sinking. I don't know if there were heavy casualties but a good number of passengers were taken off the ship by fishing vessels that had come to their rescue.
     
  3. Jim Kalafus

    Jim Kalafus Member

    ANDREW: Ramon Artagaveytia survived, and was scarred by, another shipwreck. Check out his biography on ET for the details. Milton Long was aboard a grounded ship as well.
     
  4. Ben Holme

    Ben Holme Member

    Hi Andrew,

    Henry Sleeper Harper suvived the grounding and subsequent sinking of a vessel (not named).

    Charles Duane Williams was aboard the Arizona when it collided with an iceberg.

    Norman Campbell Chambers would survive a second accident at sea when the Vestris caught fire.

    Harry Markland Molson swam away from the sinking of the Scotsman in the Gulf of St. Lawrence in 1899, and in 1904 swam to shore when the Canada collided with a collier in the St. Lawrence River near Sorel.

    Hope this helps,
    Ben
     
  5. Bob Godfrey

    Bob Godfrey Member

    Andrew,

    Second Officer Lightoller survived 4 wrecks, beginning with the sailing vessel Holt Hill in 1889. This was followed by the Titanic, then another White Star liner, the Oceanic in 1914, and finally the destroyer Falcon which he commanded during WW1.

    Bob
     
  6. Andrew,

    I believe Edith Rosenbaum Russell, though she was surely prone to exaggeration, was probably correct at least on the basic facts of her stories of the Olympic and Majestic incidents. I understand that she was booked (but canceled her passage) on another ship that supposedly blew up in La Havre or Cherbourg (?) but I don't have the details on that yet.

    I forgot to mention that Lucy Duff Gordon was aboard the St. Paul in November 1916 when it encountered very stormy seas. She sat in her cabin with her life-jacket beside her and refused to lay down in bed at night, opting to sleep upright in a chair. You can imagine what memories haunted her through that vigil.

    Randy
     
  7. Brian Meister

    Brian Meister Member

    Dear Randy,

    I have a newspaper clipping in which she
    gave an interview in the 1970's sometime.
    In it, she claims that she had a premonition
    which caused her to cancel her passage on
    the General Chanzy which went down off
    Minorca killing 200 passengers. She added
    that the same feeling came over her as she
    prepared to sail on what we all know as
    the last voyage of the Lusitania. The
    article is entitled: "Through every disaster
    except the plague and a husband".

    Please contact me if you want the full
    transcript.

    Best Regards,

    Happy New Year!

    Brian M
     
  8. Brian,

    Well thank you so much.

    "...In it, she claims that she had a premonition
    which caused her to cancel her passage on
    the General Chanzy which went down off
    Minorca killing 200 passengers..."

    Boy, I got that story botched up! But you can't blame me - it was that screwball Geoff who mentioned it to me! And I knew nothing of the Lusitania connection. I have to wonder about that one, though. I have her "Women's Wear Daily" columns from that time and she mentions absolutely nothing about it! Edy and more of her tall tales? Hmmm...I'll be in touch ASAP.

    And Happy New Year to you too.

    Randy
     
  9. Andrew Maheux

    Andrew Maheux Member

    Crew Survivor Harry Yearsley survived the sinking of the Braemar Castle which was torpedoed in the Mediterranean Sea in November 1916.

    Regards,

    Andrew
     
  10. with regards to randy bighams paragraph about lucy duff gordons unfortunate incident with a ship in the waters off the channel islands i think your refering to a vessel named the STELLA she was and still is locally known as the titanic of the channel islands[im from jersey channel islands]she went down after hitting rocks off alderney locally known as the ''casquets'' in march 1899 about 100 lost their lives regards' roger
     
  11. Afraid it wasn't the "Stella" Roger,I have her passenger list and they don't appear on it - besides which, 1899 was far too late. The Stella is a fascinating story though isn't it?

    Geoff
     
  12. yes it certainly is geoff i will research further to try to establish which ship randy is thinking of regards' roger
     
  13. JHPravatiner

    JHPravatiner Member

    Harold Lowe had been in a wreck or two before the Titanic incident. IIRC, one was in his West African service.
     
  14. Inger Sheil

    Inger Sheil Member

    Which wreck was that, Joan? What was the ship's name?

    Lowe was aboard a ship involved in a collision during his pre-Titanic career, but that was before he went on the West African run (before he had gained his Second Mate's certification) and was a v. minor affair altogether.
     
  15. JHPravatiner

    JHPravatiner Member

    No clue, actually, just relaying what I was told by Dan Butler some four or five years back. Only heard that it had happened, not details. He'd be the one to ask in such case.
     
  16. Inger Sheil

    Inger Sheil Member

    I suspect Dan is mistaken - perhaps he was thinking of Pitman, who was involved in a shipwreck (which he described as a minor affair).

    I have a complete record of Lowe's ships from the time he joined the Titanic all the way back to a Welsh schooner so obscure it doesn't appear in Lloyds, although it turns up in port records. (The earliest vessel I can place him on predates the ships Lowe used as his usual record of service in official documentation - he only started logging his sea time in 1900). The collision I referred to above, although it did bring about young A.B. Harold Lowe's first experience with giving evidence at a BOT inquiry, resulted in only very minor damage to the ships involved. None of these pre-Titanic ships sank, and Lowe's son had no such recollection of his father being involved in any major shipping incident before the Titanic came along.
     
  17. LOL! Maybe he heard it from the delightful Ms Russell? ;) She's such a card and seemingly not too hung up on spoiling a good story with a few facts.

    Thanks for clearing up her shipwreck record, Brian. I've heard extracts of an interview with her where she's mentioned 'every disaster
    except the plague and a husband'. From what I'd read/heard I really thought there was another shipwreck (or three) in the mix, so it's good to know for sure. Again, I curse the person who decided her memoirs would be of no interest...

    Not passengers, but there were a few other ex-Titanic men on Oceanic other than Lightoller and Blair, from what I've read. On the other hand, I'm scrabbling for names so could be completely wrong - Inger? Someone? Others from Titanic's crew survived other 'wrecks' - battles and sinkings - in WWI. Sadly, some didn't too, including one man on whom I'm hoping to put a considerably expanded ET biog note sometime. Suppose they still had another three or so years than most of their colleagues. sad.gif
     
  18. Roger,

    Thank you for looking into that story. I will be much appreciative for any information you might turn up.

    Randy
     
  19. Andrew,

    Re: Violet Jessop... you probably already know this but this remarkable lady was also working on the Olympic when she collided with (I think) The Hawke, although I know neither ship was actually wrecked. Anyway, she was on all three of these fabulous ships during their times of high drama.
     
  20. Emilie Forest

    Emilie Forest Member

    To add to the information, Henry Sleeper Harper survived the sinking of a vessel.
    I read in the :St-Louis Post-Dispatch, Tuesday evening, April 16, 1912 { I have a copy} : "Ten years ago {so in 1902}he had a narrow escape from shipwreck when a ship on which he was a passenger collided with an iceberg off New-Foundland."