The Fortune Family Descendants

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Hi Brian,

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If aviation and the life of Crawford Gordon the Son interests you, then I'd go for it.
It does. I've had an interest in the Avro Arrow and aviation in general for several years now. Thanks for the review, I'll make sure to purchase a copy.

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Are you familiar with the movie in which Dan Akroyd portrays Crawford Gordon?
Yes, I am; I own it on video. I quite enjoyed the movie and thought that Dan Aykroyd did quite a good job portraying Crawford Gordon, including that he bore a striking resemblance to the real man himself. I don't recall any mention of Ethel and Crawford Gordon, Sr. in the movie either, but I'd have to view it again to make sure.​
 

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Thanks, Robert, for the description of Chester. Sounds like a great place - if you can tolerate Americans;) (I'm American)

I was hesitant to mention that the Stewart book places Ethel in a less-then-flattering light, with her grand-nephew on the board. Not, of course, that I think you should be bothered - who knows where the info came from, and it didn't say anything so terrible. Many wonderful people make stern parents, even if what the author said is true.

Jason - I trust the book will come cheap. I would imagine it will satisfy your interests, since (unlike Gordon's family background and upbringing) there must be a wealth of info on the Arrow and aviation history of the time for Stewart to have culled from.

My interest's always run more to cars than planes.

Actually, Robert, I don't suppose you know much about the Fortune family's automobiles? Strange question, I know, but I started a thread a few years ago on this board about women drivers among the Titanic's passengers. It was before I realized the extent to which cars were marketed to women from their earliest invention, especially electric cars (before your time, I know). I assume your grandmother drove, since she lived in a rural area?

I bet Charles had taken up driving before his death, though that I doubt you would know. Charles Fortune's always stood out to me, among all those deaths. Probably because I was about the same age when I first read about him that he was when he died. And because his life was extinguished when he was on the brink of a really exciting part of it.
 

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Hi Brian,

Yes, the book is priced at $15.00 CAD., which is reasonable. Cars interest me as well; in fact I take an interest in all forms of transportation, whether it be planes, trains, ships (of course) or automobiles. No, I'm not referring to the movie of a similar name starring Steve Martin and John Candy.
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Brian. Can't help you with family cars. All I can tell you is my grandparents (Alice and Charles) drove a 1941 Mercury Coupe for many years in Chester - in which I learned to drive.

Fun to think what could have become of those who were lost, like Charles, at the dawn of adulthood.
 
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I have been reading messages on this site for a long time, and finally became a member because I just about jumped out of my shoes when I saw there are descendants of the Fortune family keenly interested in Titanic.

I grew up in Winnipeg and my interest in Titanic started with learning the story of the Fortune house on Wellington Crescent. It was the starting point of many years of research that is now taking shape as a historical fiction novel that involves two families in Winnipeg and their connection to Titanic. Both lead families are fictional, but one has a significant relationship with the Fortune family.

I am very interested in learning more about Charles Fortune. Please know that I am very concerned that all of my true characters are treated with respect.

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Sandi wrote:
"Please know that I am very concerned that all of my true characters are treated with respect."

I'm glad to hear it. I once came across a god-awful short story on the web that had Mrs. Fortune committing suicide by sneaking out of the lifeboat before it was lowered and returning to her cabin because she was unhappy in her marriage.
 

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I've often wondered that myself, Marilyn. One of the descendants who lives here in the city, might be able to answer that. Actually, it's funny that you ask, as I'm in the process of contacting them very soon on a different issue.
 

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Isn't it generally recorded that she lived with Ethel? I'm not sure during what years Ethel and her husband lived in Jamaica and London. At any rate, I believe that most, if not all, of Mary's children left Winnipeg. Alice lived alternately in New Brunswick, Montreal and Chester; Mabel settled in Victoria.

I don't know about Robert Fortune but I'm sure it would be easy to track where Clara Fortune Hutton settled, since there's ample info on her husband at one of the links posted above.

One of the links also sheds some light on something I'd always wondered about, which was whether or not Mary stayed on in that vast house that was finished the year before she was widowed. According to the source I'm referring to, she did live there for some years afterwards.
 
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My, but it has been a busy weekend on this site. I was aware of the posts but was unable to post until now.
Sandi - I cannot help you with Charles Fortune. I know nothing more about him than you can find here on ET. I am glad to hear that you will treat the family memory well in your literary effort. I would like to be kept abreast of your progress, and if I can be of help, please let me know.
Re: Mary moving to Toronto. I am surprised to learn that she stayed in the Winnipeg house until 1920. As far as I know, the three daughters who survived the Titanic were all married by 1913, and her two older children were already married and moved out prior to the trip to Europe. Robert moved to Vancouver, and Clara moved to Ontario. As Brian noted, Mabel went west, Alice eventually went east and Ethel settled in Toronto. I suspect that Mary's move to Toronto was simply a matter of being close to one of her children as she entered her golden years (she was 69 years old in 1920). I further speculate that Ethel was probably best situated to look after her mother, and Ethel may well have been closest to her mother.
 
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Robert - I would be very pleased to keep you up to date with my advancing work and would value your input.

I find it very interesting that the Canadians on Titanic seemed to have had so many connections to each other. Hudson Allison, of Montreal, lived and worked in Winnipeg for a time before he was married and it is probable that his business dealings would have brought him into contact with the Fortunes. I am looking to see if I can find evidence of this connection.

Long after I started my research into Canadians on the Titanic I learned of Alan Hustak's book, which is excellent. I first heard of this book when a friend in Montreal was interviewed by Alan because she is living in the home the Allison's had in Westmount at the time of the sinking.

I find it interesting that Charles was educated at Bishop's College in the Eastern Townships not far from Montreal, and was intending to go to McGill University, leading me to wonder what connections the family may have had to Montreal to have influenced this choice. Do you know anything of this?
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Hi Sandi - as a Canadian, you'd know better than I would, but isn't Magill one of Canada's most elite universities and, thus, one to attract students from across the country?

It's interesting too that Alice's husband is referred to as being from Montreal at the time of their marriage. Robert - do you know if this is true and, if so, how your grandparents met? (please feel free to ignore me if you feel my questions are impertinent)

And, Sandi, I really see the appeal of Canada during the industrial age as a setting. I know there was a lot of injustice, but I still romanticize it as a really vigorous time.

Incidentally, (if you don't already know about it) I recently discovered that if you google "Dau's Blue Book", you'll access a lot of links relative to the social registers from that period. In some cases, you'll discover where you can order copies (prices probably vary), but some of them are reproduced online.

In those days, a different volume was printed each year for a particular locale deemed to have enough worthwhile people to fill a volume. Toronto and Montreal each probably had their own volume, while other large regions of the country were lumped into one. I saw the Lusitania Ryersons in one volume (forget now which city they lived in). I don't know which volume, if any, would cover Winnipeg. Or if you'd deem it worth your while...
 
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Brian - It's McGill, and you are correct that it is one of the most pre-eminent universities in Canada. Not at all surprising that Charles would go there.

I do not know the precise details of how Charles and Alice met. I do know they were both very good golfers and I have a number of trophies that they won from the years before their marriage. I must check them to see if there is a timeline hint buried there.
 
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Brian, thanks for the lead on the Blue Book. I will check it out.

As for the education of Mark Fortune's children, I would assume that if Charles graduated from Bishop's college in Lennoxville, Quebec, that it would have been in vogue at the time for wealthy young men from Winnipeg to go east for their high school perhaps called "upper school" education. The only private school for girls in Winnipeg at that time would have been Havergal (Later known as Riverbend, Rupertsland and now Balmoral Hall).

Robert, would you have any information about where Alice and her sisters were educated?

Also, I was very interested in the golf story. It is possible that your family may have been involved in the founding of the St. Charles Country Club in Winnipeg. I will see what I have in my files. I believe it was incorporated around 1905.
 
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Sandi - No, I do not have any information on where Alice and her sisters were educated. Also, the golf trophies are all located at my cottage, and it may be a couple of weeks before I can get out there, but it is on my "Do List".
 
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Here are the gleanings from the golf trophies:

Charlie Allen and Alice Fortune knew each other as early as the summer 1909, when they won two mixed foursomes at the "WGC" (Winnipeg Golf Club?). They were married in June 1912.

Alice won a Canadian Tournament at Pinehurst (where?) in 1914 (as Mrs CH Allen). There is also a trophy from Beaconsfield (west of Montreal) from 1919, but no name is engraved on it. Alas, Sandi; no mention of St Charles Country Club.

A pewter stein presented to Charlie Allen indicates that he worked in Montreal until 1939, at which time he and Alice moved to Halifax, NS.