The Grand staircase clock


James Smith

Member
Dec 5, 2001
490
1
171
From what I recall (and again, much of this is Titanic Voices), many (if not all?) of the second-class staterooms were apparently on the same heating system. When the system was activated some of the staterooms became intolerably hot, and so the temporary solution was just to shut the whole system down. Of course, this meant that many of those staterooms quickly became too cold.

--Jim
 

Kyrila Scully

Member
Apr 15, 2001
2,079
8
223
South Florida
Lutie Parrish had a lot of complaints about 2nd Class, and her perception was probably heightened by the fact that her daughter was suffering pneumonia. I've got my notes somewhere....will get back to you.
 

Paul Lee

Member
Aug 11, 2003
2,239
2
163
Hi Tad,
(I will reply to your email soon, I am a bit snowed under).

I recall the notice in Southampton "Sightseers need not apply!" notifying the public that the ship was not open to public inspection. I think this would apply more if the public areas rather than staterooms were not ready for use. Unfinished staterooms could easily be sealed off, but the open areas wouldn't.

David Blair's daughter wrote to Walter Lord:
"We were living in Southampton at the time +, although I was too young then to remember anything about it, I have heard my mother say that she had tea on board the day before the sailing + there was still work people racing to finish the laying of carpets etc. in time."

Paul
--
http://www.paullee.com/titanic/index.html
 

Paul Lee

Member
Aug 11, 2003
2,239
2
163
I am also reminded of a discussion on the TRMA. The stern photos of the ship about to undertake her trials show that the starboard sign warning people that the Titanic has three propellors is missing, but another photo taken from nearly the same angle in Southampton a few days later show the sign in place.
 

Bill Lammon

Member
Apr 13, 2011
1
0
31
Does anyone know what the dimensions of the Honor and Glory Crowning Time panel are? Or what size the actual clock was? In photos on the GSC it looks huge but the remaining panel from the Olympic doesn't look that big. Thanks.

[Moderator's note: This message, originally a separate thread, has been moved to this pre0existing thread about the clock. MAB]
 

Chris Daley

Member
Mar 22, 2011
7
0
31
Just putting this out there but in "The Ship Magnificent" the circular object attached to the back wall of the swimming bath on Titanic in a particular photograph is in the caption assumed to be either a clock or a mirror.... Perhaps (this is assuming that this mirror-in-place-of-clock theory has ANYTHING to it at all) they did not have the clock for the staircase arrive in time and they substituted the forward staircase with the clock intended for the swimming bath wall, replacing that with a mirror instead. It also seems likely that clocks for both forward and aft staircases would be arriving from the same manufacturer -does anyone know about that? Or even if ALL clocks aboard would be from the same place? - so if they weren't to arrive, there would be no clocks at all. Perhaps then only one was defective? Or dropped? Or lost? If that were the case then the forward staircase would be fitted with the remaining clock whilst the aft staircase with the clock from the pool. Please keep in mind that these are all just thoughts... I will check my copy of "The Ship Magnificent" when I get home for the page on which the photograph of the pool resides. Anyone knowing if this is possible?
 

Chris Daley

Member
Mar 22, 2011
7
0
31
Page 414 of "Titanic The Ship Magnificent Volume II: Interior Design and Fitting Out". The image I was referring to in my last post is the one on this page. As it says in the caption beneath, "...notice the round object on the forward bulkhead. This is in the area where a clock SHOULD have been installed, as one was installed on Olympic... However, it is not certain whether this object is a cover over a yet-uninstalled clock, or another fitting altogether."

No it does not mention a mirror like I had originally thought, but perhaps the "clock" (if it is even that) shown in this image IS merely a cover over a missing clock. Perhaps they did really use the one intended for here on the staircase... Ok, I know. I'm reading waaaay to much into this ha ha but it does seem possible to me... can anyone support/disprove this THEORY?
 
Feb 6, 2005
156
1
111
Is the clock rumour wide reported? I think it was only noted in one book, Titanic voices. Even then, the replacement claimed to be a mirror, not a clock representative of the Aft Grand Staircase.

I think it's bogus, but then, my opinion is as good or lousy as any.
 
J

John Atkinson

Guest
I do remember it in Titanic Voices. None of the 1st class passengers at all even mentioned a clock. The staircase yes, but not the clock. Of course, the survivors could have simply forgotten or may not have even seen it. But surely it couldn't have been missed.

Although we must not forget that these wealthy people were accustomed to these sort of environments and interiors and probably didn't even pay the slightest attention to their surroundings onboard, given they were so used to interiors of the same standard or even better.
 
Feb 6, 2005
156
1
111
Well a fancy clock isn't exactly noteworthy in contrast the the more significant event that followed.

If I recall, a passenger claimed to have adjusted his watch according to the clock on the stairway. I'm still going to gamble and call shenanigans on the mirror/clock theory.
 
J

John Atkinson

Guest
I would agree with you. I know that they were pushed for time when it came to fitting out.

Many passengers complained of electric lights, heaters and other appliances in 1st class staterooms not working. One passenger even said her stateroom was not finished! The same was also complained about in the other classes.

Although these are smaller points of note, I highly doubt that the clock was unfinished. Surely this would be one of the carvings which would have been finished with the rest of the staircase. It's plausible of course, but I don't believe it.

[Moderator's note: This message and the three ahead of it, originally posted to another thread, have been moved to this pre-existing thread discussing the clock/mirror question. MAB]
 
Dec 4, 2000
3,242
495
278
In Titanic, the large frieze surrounding the Magneta slave clock dial was not per se "the clock" It was simply a decorative carving which had nothing to do with keeping time.

"The clock" was not actually a clock, either. It was just a slave driven by one of two Magneta brand master clocks located in the officers chart room on the bridge.

So, the question is not whether the frieze was completed -- we know it was -- but whether or not the slave clock face was installed. And, that's another question.

-- David G. Brown
 
J

John Atkinson

Guest
Indeed. The panel has nothing to do with the clock, rather whether the clock itself was installed is the question.

That's quite an interesting point you made. Rather than the clock being a clock, it was rather controlled by the master clock, or Magneta clock, as with all of the clocks onboard.

If the frieze panel, Honour and Glory, was installed though, what would passengers have saw? The panel with simply a hole in the centre from where the clock should have been installed?

Or of course, the entire thing could have been complete in the first place. We will never really know for sure, unless of course some photographs surface which is quite unlikely.
 
Feb 6, 2005
156
1
111
Hence, the speculation is that a small mirror was put in it's place. In the hole. Not a large mirror where the carving ought to be.
 

Similar threads