The Hidden Faces of Titanic


Ben Holme

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Hi Mark,

Clarification appreciated. If anyone is not fully cognizant of the lifeboat launching sequence, numbers, officers etc, it is Cameron - at least in this instance. Whilst it is clear that you, Inger, Bob and myself know our boat #2s from our boat Ds, it appears that Cameron has confounded the two. Or very possibly, Cameron realised his error rather late in the proceedings and ammended it accordingly, hence the script confusion.

I wouldn't wish for any further acrimony to ensue as a result of a film-maker's error!

Thanks for your kind wishes, Mark. I extend the same, of course. :)

Best Regards,
Ben
 
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Bob,

Thank you for pointing


Bob,

Thank you for pointing out that the topic here is the movie. That's what I was referring to, not reality, and that's why I was using the script itself as evidence.

By the way, I do realize that Collapsibles C and D were lowered at the same time - in reality. At the time it was (around 2:00am or 2:10?), there wouldn't have been any time left to lower another boat safely. This is especially true, considering the B-Deck - two decks below the boat deck - was flooding at the time.


>>That's really the bottom line too. Enjoy it, play with it, have fun with it, but don't fight over it.<<

Amen!!! ;) Sorry, Michael.
 
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Bob,

Thank you for pointing out that the topic here is the movie. That's what I was referring to, not reality, and that's why I was using the script itself as evidence.

By the way, I do realize that Collapsibles C and D were lowered at the same time - in reality. At the time it was (around 2:00am or 2:10?), there wouldn't have been any time left to lower another boat safely. This is especially true, considering the B-Deck - two decks below the boat deck - was flooding at the time.


>>That's really the bottom line too. Enjoy it, play with it, have fun with it, but don't fight over it.<<

Amen!!! ;) Sorry, Michael.
 
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*Mark tips his bowler hat

*Mark tips his bowler hat in amiable acceptance*

I'm glad that we can come to an agreement, and I'm also grateful that we can both acknowledge the script as the culprit of the confusion.

No harm done!
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*Mark tips his bowler hat in amiable acceptance*

I'm glad that we can come to an agreement, and I'm also grateful that we can both acknowledge the script as the culprit of the confusion.

No harm done!
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Maybe Cameron's intention

Maybe Cameron's intention here was to demonstrate Rose's good common sense. When being lowered into the Atlantic in a collapsible boat with the sides down, the smart move would be to get out at the earliest opportunity before it hits the water!
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Maybe Cameron's intention here was to demonstrate Rose's good common sense. When being lowered into the Atlantic in a collapsible boat with the sides down, the smart move would be to get out at the earliest opportunity before it hits the water!
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I did watch it again (it&#

I did watch it again (it's on now), and jumped to that scene to take a look. The sides were low, indicating that it's a collapsible, but I didn't see anyone jump in, unless the clip was ultimately deleted. *shrugs* It appears that the scene itself is in sync, but Boxhall's presence on the bridge is out-of-place, if that makes sense. If Cameron realized this mistake later on and changed the boat to a collapsible upon the advice of either Lynch or Marschall, then it's curious as to why, perhaps, he just didn't shoot the previous two shots (Collapsible C with Ismay and the bridge) over again. It wouldn't have taken much:

* "Collapsible C" - When Murdoch turns toward the bridge and Ismay initiates his getaway, Rowe fires off the last rocket. Murdoch orders Rowe into the boat, and the QuarterMaster scurries into Collapsible C.

* The Bridge Scene - Simply have Cal and Lovejoy stride through the bridge again, but this time without Simon Crane (Boxhall) present or replaced by Edward Fletcher (Moody).

That would have reduced the confusion, hehe. It's Boxhall's presence on the bridge that causes the confusion. I figured that Cam and the two techs would have noticed this. However, since Boxhall's name wasn't mentioned in this scene and we didn't see him up-close, perhaps the intention was to give the impression that it was just another officer, like Moody (where was he suppose to have been during this time?), or a crewman tending the bridge. By the way, during emergencies, was anyone other than the officers, QuarterMasters, owner, carptenter, or any other official (Andrews, for example) allowed on the bridge? Was it possible that a crewman could have been ordered to tend the bridge (in general, not only Titanic) ? If so, then this may have been the reasoning for Cam and the techs letting the scene slide through.

Just a thought...
 
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I did watch it again (it's on now), and jumped to that scene to take a look. The sides were low, indicating that it's a collapsible, but I didn't see anyone jump in, unless the clip was ultimately deleted. *shrugs* It appears that the scene itself is in sync, but Boxhall's presence on the bridge is out-of-place, if that makes sense. If Cameron realized this mistake later on and changed the boat to a collapsible upon the advice of either Lynch or Marschall, then it's curious as to why, perhaps, he just didn't shoot the previous two shots (Collapsible C with Ismay and the bridge) over again. It wouldn't have taken much:

* "Collapsible C" - When Murdoch turns toward the bridge and Ismay initiates his getaway, Rowe fires off the last rocket. Murdoch orders Rowe into the boat, and the QuarterMaster scurries into Collapsible C.

* The Bridge Scene - Simply have Cal and Lovejoy stride through the bridge again, but this time without Simon Crane (Boxhall) present or replaced by Edward Fletcher (Moody).

That would have reduced the confusion, hehe. It's Boxhall's presence on the bridge that causes the confusion. I figured that Cam and the two techs would have noticed this. However, since Boxhall's name wasn't mentioned in this scene and we didn't see him up-close, perhaps the intention was to give the impression that it was just another officer, like Moody (where was he suppose to have been during this time?), or a crewman tending the bridge. By the way, during emergencies, was anyone other than the officers, QuarterMasters, owner, carptenter, or any other official (Andrews, for example) allowed on the bridge? Was it possible that a crewman could have been ordered to tend the bridge (in general, not only Titanic) ? If so, then this may have been the reasoning for Cam and the techs letting the scene slide through.

Just a thought...
 

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<<No, Matt. Unless I a

<<No, Matt. Unless I am thinking of someone else, the officer waving his hands back and forth, with a torch in one hand, is 5th officer Lowe waving down the Carpathia. Is that the one to whom you are referring?>>

Mark,
I am revering to the scene where Rose departs from Jack for the first time in the lifeboat. It is right before she jumps on to the promenade deck to be rejoined with Jack. The sound is muted out when they scroll by the Seaman.
 

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<<No, Matt. Unless I am thinking of someone else, the officer waving his hands back and forth, with a torch in one hand, is 5th officer Lowe waving down the Carpathia. Is that the one to whom you are referring?>>

Mark,
I am revering to the scene where Rose departs from Jack for the first time in the lifeboat. It is right before she jumps on to the promenade deck to be rejoined with Jack. The sound is muted out when they scroll by the Seaman.
 
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Ah, the seaman in the boat tha

Ah, the seaman in the boat that wave his hand, as if to say "sit down." That wasn't life boat 14, that was Collapsible D, as you've read above.
 
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I'm glad to see that this

I'm glad to see that this was settled before it got out of hand. This is really a fun topic. I found the clarifications on the lifeboats to be interesting. I would go into more detail in this post, but I'm exhausted. I'm just glad everything was resolved before this thread had to be closed.
 
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I'm glad to see that this was settled before it got out of hand. This is really a fun topic. I found the clarifications on the lifeboats to be interesting. I would go into more detail in this post, but I'm exhausted. I'm just glad everything was resolved before this thread had to be closed.
 
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I think I've see Bess Alli

I think I've see Bess Allison and her girl, Lorraine, in the scene of the discussion of Rose and Jack about Rose's wedding, on the superior deck.



They are the woman with the black hat who have the little blond girl in her arm

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4161/lorraineallisonrn8.png

And, I always considered the couple who kissed them during the embarcakement(I'm not quite sure of this word) in the boat 6 as Mr Quigg Edmond Baxter and Berthe Mayné(or Mlle de Villier). We know that Mr Baxter met Mrs Mayné during a travel in France and they became lovers. He want her to come back to Montreal with him. We known that during the embarkement of boat 6, Mrs Mayné refused to leave her lover but Margaret Brown convinced her to embark in the boat. What do you think of that?

(Sorry for my english, I'm from province of Quebec, and I don't talk english except at school =S)
 
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I think I've see Bess Allison and her girl, Lorraine, in the scene of the discussion of Rose and Jack about Rose's wedding, on the superior deck.



They are the woman with the black hat who have the little blond girl in her arm

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4161/lorraineallisonrn8.png

And, I always considered the couple who kissed them during the embarcakement(I'm not quite sure of this word) in the boat 6 as Mr Quigg Edmond Baxter and Berthe Mayné(or Mlle de Villier). We know that Mr Baxter met Mrs Mayné during a travel in France and they became lovers. He want her to come back to Montreal with him. We known that during the embarkement of boat 6, Mrs Mayné refused to leave her lover but Margaret Brown convinced her to embark in the boat. What do you think of that?

(Sorry for my english, I'm from province of Quebec, and I don't talk english except at school =S)
 
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Krzyzanowski Mariusz

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Sorry to unearth the old threa

Sorry to unearth the old thread, but I was wondering if these characters may be real Titanic passengers:

This women.
http://i54.tinypic.com/33ww30p.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/ilc1s1.jpg
He is standing and smiling to Rose and Jack when they enters to the dining room makes an impression that she is showed there not by chance.

This women:
http://i51.tinypic.com/28a3zur.jpg
She is looking on Rose and Jack when they are going to the table. She is also showed during sinking, she is asking the officer to "Hold the boat for a while" because she has to "go to her room".

This company:
http://i55.tinypic.com/v7fdy0.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/29pr97l.jpg

This couple:
http://i52.tinypic.com/17bplh.jpg
They are boarding in Cherbourg.

Any ideas?
 
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Krzyzanowski Mariusz

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Sorry to unearth the old thread, but I was wondering if these characters may be real Titanic passengers:

This women.
http://i54.tinypic.com/33ww30p.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/ilc1s1.jpg
He is standing and smiling to Rose and Jack when they enters to the dining room makes an impression that she is showed there not by chance.

This women:
http://i51.tinypic.com/28a3zur.jpg
She is looking on Rose and Jack when they are going to the table. She is also showed during sinking, she is asking the officer to "Hold the boat for a while" because she has to "go to her room".

This company:
http://i55.tinypic.com/v7fdy0.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/29pr97l.jpg

This couple:
http://i52.tinypic.com/17bplh.jpg
They are boarding in Cherbourg.

Any ideas?
 

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The first person mentioned is

The first person mentioned is actress Alexandra Boyd who, as far as she was aware, was cast as '1st Class woman' with no specific identity. "If you blink, you'll miss me".
 

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