And the Titanic was undoubtedly the ship seen buy the crew of the Californian and described as "big side out of the water", "going away" "lights look queer" etc; and of course, the Titanic was the ship from which the rockets were coming from. There was no other vessel of any kind between them.Californian was beyond any doubt the ship seen from the decks of the Titanic that night.
Hello Seamus,The facts are that Leslie Harrison was notorious for leaving out or else greatly distorting information that was detrimental to his "client".
You need to read Paul Lee and Sam Halpern's books which are (unless new evidence emerges - and that's highly unlikely) probably the final word on the subject.
Paul Lee has also boiled down his findings into very basic (and graphic orientated) formats here:
Californian was beyond any doubt the ship seen from the decks of the Titanic that night.
Best to begin at the beginning then Seumas or just accept some of the facts.!
Perfect post Sir. Captain Lord himself alluded to that lack of communication between his crew and himself when he said that there had been "a certain amount of laxity" on board the Californian that night. Stone testified a very whitewashed version of his interpretation of the lights and rockets from the other ship as well as the manner in which he informed Lord about them. Captain Lord almost certainly realized this early on during the inquiry but being a proud man, did not want the proceedings to be seen as a face-off between himself and his own crew.From where I stand, the issue is how Stone and Gibson understood what they saw and how they communicated it to the captain. If they thought it was as important or as significant as they later implied in their testimony to the Mersey Wreck Commission, they did a truly awful job of communicating that to Captain Lord.
I might be wrong but as the OOW, Stone had the authority to wake-up Cyril Evans and order him to check what was going on. But Stone either genuinely did not realize the significance of the "unusual" appearance of the other ship's lights and rockets (which would make him very stupid) or as is more likely, wanted his Captain to make that decision. But if the latter was the case, then Stone failed to convey the urgency of the situation and when Captain Lord gave him no order to wake-up the 'sparks', Stone left it there. Therefore, while officialdom might have considered Captain Lord, as the Master of the ship, ultimately responsible, IMO the moral responsibility for the lack of action by the Californian falls on Herbert Stone.I'm going to have go and read thru the inquieries again and see what the bridge crew said about why nobody decided to wake the sparks to have a listen if something was going on. Like Arun And Michael S. said, the bridge crew was just as if not more responsible than Captain Lord. Anybody on the bridge could have gave or suggested to the O.O.W. to have him check the wireless. I haven't a clue why nobody did. They knew something was going on and discussed it but nobody thought of the radio.
I think where Captain Lord's position went pear-shaped was when he ordered Stone to try and contact the other ship by More Lamp. He could just as easily have ordered the Second Officer to wake-up Cyril Evans and get him to check.
I wonder why? It could not have been the Morse Code per se because that had been in widespread use for over 50 years by 1912. So it must have been the fact that the apparatus used was wireless as opposed to the old fashioned "wire" or signal lamp.That's a fair point but the problem was that radio was seen at that "New fangled wireless thingy" which was regarded with some disdain, mistrust, and even a bit of suspicion.
Very likely for no better reason than it was new and not well understood.
Yes, I think you guys are right.They could have been old school and didn't consider it as important. Just a toy to them.
Same here. At 66 I find this excessive reliance on "Apps" extremely annoying and unnecessary. It is particularly bad in India where there are Apps to book a taxi, to order food on-line etc. I told people there that they will soon have an App to go to the toilet.A lot of tech stuff that comes out today I don't have any interest in it and dismiss it as a fad. But in a decade or 2 that stuff might be the new reality and run the world.