The parlour suite B52 54 56

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The USN ships on which I served were all fairly small (500 ft. length, 10,000 tons displacement-an Escort Aircraft Carrier [CVE] and a Seaplane Tender[AV])- all had the bunks facing fore-to-aft. Also a MSTS troop ship [TAP] which was about the size of the Carpathia. However, I don't recall anyone ever getting tossed out of a bunk and we did run into some heavy weather at times.
 
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Lesley Jean-Baptiste

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To Robert:
I'm sorry I can't answer that question for you becasue I don't know the piece of work you speak about. >>fictional Captain Francis S. Queeg of the U.S.S. Caine in Herman Wouk's "The Caine Mutiny<<
That's the problem with living in the caribbean, limited resources.
Sorry.
 
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Lesley-

There may be a website on "The Caine Mutiny."
It's not exactly "Mutiny On The Bounty"... but... The story is set in WWII . In short, Captain Queeg is authoritarian, maltreats the officers and crew and tries to cover up his mistakes and cowardice. He panics during a typhoon and the next in command (The Executive Officer) relieves him and is charged with mutiny. During the cross-examination in the court martial , Captain Queeg cracks under pressure, babbles on and on incoherently , and the officers are acquitted. Humphrey Bogart got an "Oscar" for the role of Lieutenant Commander Philip Francis Queeg , Captain of the Destroyer-Mine Sweeper USS Caine and Van Johnson played the role of Lieutenant Steven Maryk, the Executive Officer. The original story, which covers a lot more ground than the movie, was written by Herman Wouk and the movie came out about ca. 1954.

"The best I've seen ma'am....hardly any rats."
Robert
 
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Lesley-

Just another footnote on "The Caine Mutiny." The title comes from the remark by the Navy's trial defense lawyer , Lieutenant Barney Greenwald, who was played by Jose' Ferrer. (He is charged with defending the "mutineers.") He tosses champagne in the face of Lieutenant Thomas Keefer, played by Fred Mc Murray and probably the other "villain" in the movie...he goaded Lt. Maryk into finally relieving the Captain.... Greenwald, who has had a bit too much to drink, says to Keefer, "Here's to you, the real author of The Caine Mutiny !" and then tosses champagne in his face.

So much for the trivia and back to ANTR.

Regards,
Robert
 
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Lesley Jean-Baptiste

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while looking at the movie i noticed that in one of the bedrooms in the suite that cal and rose occupied there were 2 beds. i thought that first class rooms only had one berth? also did anyone find it peculiar that the parlour suites are known to have two bedrooms but there were six passengers (2 maids, cal, rose, ruth and lovejoy). where did the mother sleep? plus if we are to assume that the three of them shared the 2 bedroom parlour suite why wasn't she aroud when rose was having here portrait drawn.
i also must state that i think James Cameron did a good job. yes there may have been historical errors and what have you but he did his best to capture the essance of the titanic. of course i don't buy the jaded little rich girl looking to get out of what is a perfectly finelifestyle. but you must appeal to the audience and 'everyone' loves a romeo and juliet type story.if he didn't make up the characters and only stuck with the actual people on board then it would have just been another documentary about the titanic and mostly history buffs would look at it and probably critique it just as much as they did this movie.
through my searches on the internet about the titanic, i did come across something that said that survivers related a story saying that there of course was a rush to get into the last of the boats and a crewman was threatening to shoot the people if they didn't restrain themselves. it goes on to say (as depicted in the movie) that there was a continuation in the pushing and the officer shot someone the shot himself. the witnesses who survived said that they believe it was Mr Murdoch. that's probably why JC put that in the movie. in addition to which Mr Murdoch's family was not there to witness whether this was or was not how he died.

sorry for rambling on just wanted to get my point across.

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Hello Lesley,

Both the bedrooms of Parlour Suite B-52/54/56 had two beds. One 4 foot wide the other a standard bed. - The beds faced fore-aft. Cameron got that wrong and had one with the head or foot facing the side of the ship. - No beds in 1st or 2nd Class were ever in that position. - see the attached

The Suite also came with a Servant's Room B-102; which was an inside 3-berth stateroom. One would guess the maids would have been in that room. Ruth and Rose would have shared; and Lovejoy would either have shared with Cal or had a room elsewhere. - Few passengers would stay in their rooms.

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Hey Lester,
Thanks for the info. it really helped. where did you get the pic of the parlour suite?
 
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I think that particular deck-plan is from the Father Browne deck-plan in EE O'Donnell's: The Last Days of the Titanic.
Wels has a similar plan in her book: Titanic Legacy of the World's Greatest Ocean Liner.
 

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Lovett clearly referenced the fact that Ruth had her own stateroom when they were discussing the whereabouts of the Diamond.
 

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That is true, but after the ship struck the iceberg, Ruth is standing in their suite wearing only a nightgown. Also she says to one of the maids: "Go back and turn the heaters on in our rooms, I'd like a cup of Tea when I return." Ofcouse she could have just meant that the maids would go to her cabin and turn the heat on, but most likely she is referring to B52-54-56. Also the fact that there are two beds in Cal's room is telling us that she might have stayed there aswell. Renting Ruth her own private cabin would have been very expensive, but who knows? Maybe Cal was that desperate to have some privacy with Rose...;-)
 
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That is the current consensus.

Eaton & Haas would have us accept that the Henry Clay Fricks had the booking. After they cancelled Morgan took it over and when he cancelled it was assumed by J Horace Harding and his wife. - They later transferred to the Mauretania.

It is not clear if they thought the George W Vanderbilts and the Robert Bacons also had the booking. - The Vanderbilts sailed on the Olympic [although their valet Frederick Wheeler lost his life on the Titanic], while the Bacons were delayed and sailed on the maiden voyage of the France.
 
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Johan Jonsson-

"Renting Ruth her own private cabin would have been very expensive, but who knows? Maybe Cal was that desperate to have some privacy with Rose
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Also - for someone of Cal's wealth the extra expense would have been of little consequence but who knows ? .... ;-)
 
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Steve Olguin said:
"Lovett clearly referenced the fact that Ruth had her own stateroom when they were discussing the whereabouts of the Diamond."

Also, when Rose and Jack entered the suite for the drawing scene, Jack asks Rose if Cal might return. He doesn't mention Ruth, as if there was no real chance of her coming back to the suite. This supports the theory that Ruth was supposed to be berthed elsewhere, but certainly doesn't prove it.
 

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good point there... And I do not think that Rose would have been naked if she knew that her mother could dome back soon, or perhaps that was part of the thrill for her? I really do believe that Ruth had her own stateroom, but in that case, near Caledon and Rose.
 
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I always thought that Ruth and Rose shared a room, Cal and Lovejoy shared another, then a room where the maids would go or whatever. Because they weren't married yet, and back then it was not considered as "appropriate" for a man and a woman to share the same room unless married. That's just my little theory.
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>>Because they weren't married yet, and back then it was not considered as "appropriate" for a man and a woman to share the same room unless married.<<

Well, it wasn't as if Cal didn't try. Remember something along the lines of "I was hoping you would come to me last night."

Mmmmmmhmmmm...for what?
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