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Message: [QUOTE="Tom Pappas, post: 24141, member: 199955"] The "over 9,000 casualties" of the [i]Wilhelm Gustloff[/i] was derived by a combination of voodoo, guesswork, and chicanery. I questioned every assumption they fed into their expensive model, and I question the outcome. However many died, it was a big number, but paltry compared to the toll extracted by certain American and English air raids. I wonder how many of the victims previously stood by the side of the road and shouted [i]heil![/i] when Hitler rode by. I wonder how many informed on their Jewish neighbors. I wonder how many hailed the [i]Wehrmacht[/i] as it returned from Poland, Holland, or France. [/QUOTE]