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If I may...I wouldn't be overly concerned about Storyman to the point of monitoring his every move and statement. Of course, you can if you like. Nothing I can do about it and I wouldn't even if I could. However, from what little I've seen, he's become his own worst enemy and may well be doing his client a lot more harm then good.

Okay...Fair enough. Let him.

To paraphrase Napoleon Bonapart; "Never interfer with your opponant when he's making a mistake."
 
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Monica, you might find this entertaining. A chum of mine on the U.S. Military Forum posted a list of rules on how to start your own conspiracy theory which I'm posting here with his permission:

Yes, Kiddies, you too can join in the newest fun passtime and start your very own conspiracy theory. All you have to do is:

1) Refuse to admit that anything happens by chance.

2) Give arbitrarily assigned new meanings to unrelated events so that they connect to each other.

3) Invent a catchy name for the "EVIL FORCES".

4) Provide an Evil Intention by the "EVIL FORCES" to justify why the "EVIL FORCES" are causing the events that you have just linked together by giving those events new meanings.

5) Label all authorities, politicians, and officials who do not agree with you as naive, stupid, dupes, or hirelings of the "EVIL FORCES" (or, better yet, as actual memberts of the "EVIL FORCES").

6) Make a long list of famous names and claim that they are parts of the "EVIL FORCES" - cite the lack of any evidence to substantiate this assertion as proof of the power and success of the "EVIL FORCES" evil in action.

7) Name anyone who disputes the proof that you have just produced as an agent of the "EVIL FORCES" - claim that any documentation that does not accord with the proof that you have just produced was falsified by the "EVIL FORCES" - state that any historical record that varies from what you want it to be has been crafted by the "EVIL FORCES" - use the fact that the "EVIL FORCES" are denying the truth, falsifying documents, and crafting the historical records to hide the existance of the "EVIL FORCES" as proof of the existance of the "EVIL FORCES"

8) Issue vague and confusing warnings of impending evil acts by the "EVIL FORCES" - cite the fact that the evil acts don't occur as proof that the "EVIL FORCES" exist and are afraid of you exposing their intentions.

9) Continuously call for people to be alert for evil acts caused by the "EVIL FORCES" and to send you money so that you can continue the good work of making _______________ safe for ___________ and protected from the "EVIL FORCES".
There you have it, your very own "Conspiracy In A Box" Kit.

Don't send thanks, send money.That last part about sending money has an evergreen quality to it!
 
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Right! I think I've got the hang of it now. Am going to test theory out on a really tough one - the death of Queen Anne. Died (so they say - ho!!) of hereditary illness / despair after thankless job of being Queen in 18th Century, and after 19 pregnancies ended in no living progeny.

If I can find a conspiracy theory in that, then I shall move on to more lucrative possibilities.... no money to be made out of this, I realize, but it's just a test case after all.
 

Mike Bull

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LOL @ Michael!

Things are improving over at Conspiracy HQ- 'Storyman' has continued to be rude and seems to have been banned, and Bruve Beveridge has arrived in a cloud of rivets, to share his detailed knowledge far and wide. Great stuff!
 
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Elvis is alive and he sank the Titanic which wasn't really the Titanic but her sister the Olympic. Quick, call the National Enquirer! Yikes, people like Storyman scare me. Althought I guess 'storyman' is from the crazy stories he tells?
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Mike Bull

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Oh heck yes, ignoring people like that is the best way. Just thought it was worth putting it out here that the agent behind the theory-master got up to such behaviour, really.
 
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>>Just thought it was worth putting it out here that the agent behind the theory-master got up to such behaviour, really.<<

I concur. Seems like he's his clients own worst enemy with the sort of conduct too. One catches more flies with honey then vinegar and all that. I saw a lot of vinegar on the thread.
 
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I predict a sad end for those who continue to promote the conspiracy theory. Anybody with a knowledge of ships, engineering, and organisation of early 20th century labour would tell you that such a thing would have been impossible.

As for that sad end, they are doomed to spend eternity stoking the boilers in boiler room No. 6 of a liner which they will never be able to identify as to whether it is 400, 401 or 433!
 

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Two things. First of all, I actually liked reading Gardiner's book. It was different, radical, and totally fiction...but it caught my attention, even if I was rolling my eyes the entire time. This is the only props I give to Gardiner.

Secondly, I have decided to write my own book.

My theory is that the Titanic's Powers that Be (Ismay, E.J. Smith, and Andrews) were all secretly working for the British Admiralty. Churchill was concerned that the Olympic-class ships were all taking money away from the Cunard Lines. So Churchill ordered Ismay to secretly destroy one of the WSL's new liners in hope to swing opinion to Cunard's favor.

Most officers, save Murdoch and Wilde, weren't in on it, but J.J. Astor and J.P. Morgan, who was losing great sums of money on IMM were. So Ismay, Astor, Smith, Churchill, and Morgan all hatched a plan to ram the Titanic into an iceberg, knowing that the ship will sink slowly and act as its own lifeboat until a Cunarder, ala the Carpathia, or a IMM ship, ala the Californian, could save all on board.

However, in wrecking the liner against an iceberg, Murdoch didn't count on the underside of the berg, which ripped a section of the bottom away from the ship (hence why they found the section on the ocean floor). The ship was doomed.

The Californian, waiting on a message from the Admiralty, sat dead in the water...wanting to make a triumphant entrance. They did not know the danger ahead for the Titanic.

Boats were only loaded half full for this reason. Also, Murdoch and Wilde were both shot before Titanic foundered as so they would not talk later. This accounts for the shooting of the officers.

Ismay survived as planned so that he could meet up with Churchill and the Admiralty later. Ismay was paid off generously as his name was ripped through the mud.

My deceptive, evil minded theory...and the only innocent in the whole story...

....hmmm...how about Boxhall? He isn't mentioned too much.


This post was meant half in joking, half serious. This is how ridiculous Gardiner's claims are. I, like he, have taken an incredible idea and put some fact behind it.

And I bet I would sell a million copies too.

Cheers....and happy reading!
 

Mindy Deckard

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Hmmm...aliens....And Ismay also indirectly led to the "New Coke" phase of the 80's too...I have proof!

(in the immortal words of Michael Ian Black)...we don't know how high up this was...let's just say that the Pope was involved...