The thing that REALLY bugs me about 1997 Titanic


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Dana Cantu

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During the sinking sequences, it shows all of First class filling up with water and whatnot, then it shows the Third Class Irish woman with her children tucking them in...HELLO!?!?! Wouldn't that area be underwater already? Then like before that they show Isidor & Ida Strauss or whatever laying on their bed filling up with water! It doesn't make sense, and yes I know I know it's just a movie, but that doesn't mean you have to contridict yourself in the film!
 
The third class woman would have been in the stern, which stayed dry until the breakup. Isidor and Ida were in a first class area well forward. First class, first drowned!

I'm no fan of Cameron's flick, but he got this right.
 
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Dana Cantu

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No thanks my boyfriend gives me all the hugs I need. But I do apologize for my statement earlier.

[Moderator's Note: A subsequent message commenting on the material Phil described as "offensive" has been removed. Let's let it drop, folks. MAB]

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As much as I love the Film there's one little thing that bugs me also, it's the fact that Molly Brown just 'happened' to have her Son's Evening Suit with her......I'm wondering was the Son on board?, if so surely he would have required the Suit himself, if he was not on board then why would Molly have his Suit if the Son was presumably in the USA.......
 

Jason D. Tiller

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Margaret (she was never called Molly) Brown's son was not on board. If I recall correctly, the story about the suit was created for the movie; it's fiction.

Although, her daughter was traveling with her during the first leg of the trip through Europe, but she stayed behind in London.
 
If I recall correctly, there was also a story that the story about the suit was to be the same as in the 1953 movie - rented or purchased at the tailor shop - (of which there was none on Titanic) and the story had to be created otherwise. "How do we get Jack in a tux ?" :)

Given credit to the writers that Mrs. Brown might have found a bargain in Paris or elsewhere to buy a tux for her son. :)

Also, I think that Mrs. Brown would have had a more cultured manner of speech than that depicted in both ANTR and the 1997 version, since she was quite fluent (it has been said) in several other languages.
 
Well its called taking liberities with the material. Certain things have to be overlooked or changed in order to fuel the script and add to the dramatic effect. Its like Leo and his friend up on the bow screaming in delight and making dog sounds. We see Captain Smith looking on and smiling whereas had someone actually done that they likely would have been detained and or reprimanded for taking such an awful risk. Its the same with Rose climbing over the railing and suspending herself from the stern. Hardly actions someone in 1912 would have taken.
 
Well Rose WAS going to kill herself...

James Cameron said that the tux was a gift Mrs. brown 'bought for her son in Europe' this would not have been an unusual gift, and one might enjoy maybe a French tailored tux. They had originally planed for Jack to go to a shop on board and buy a tux. In the original script, Rose then introduces Jack as a man from different places like a count form Germany or something like that. Just to test his skill at getting along with the others of first class.
 

Mary Hamric

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Didn't Pelligrino say in "Ghosts" that Helen Candee went to the very bow of the ship and looked over. Is this correct?
 
Hello Mary,I remember discussing this in the Helen Churchill Candee topic? Or one of the topics we have on Pellegrino! Look in Titanic Books for Pellegrino and Passengers for Mrs. Candee!
 
Pellegrino has been known to 'add' things... Mike Findlay, who knew Marjorie Newell Robb well, said she never gave such an interview as to the one found on his website. And much has been said about other invented dialogue in his books.
 
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