Thomas Andrews' family

Jan C. Nielsen

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Dave:
Thanks for the feedback on Edward Wilding. My source for Wilding was "Titanic and Her Sisters," which I recently purchased.

Where did you come across your information? Do you know what ever happened to Wilding? I was impressed by Wilding's candor at the Board of Trade hearings, and thought that perhaps his testimony got him into trouble. For example, he more or less admits (what we all know was true about Titanic) that "commercial experience," i.e., money and profits, directly constrained incorporating measures of safety in the ship's design, as follows:

W.: ". . . a good deal more time and labour is available for the upkeep of His Majesty's ships than there is for most commerical ships."

Q.: "Then, does it mean that if more money were spent you would be able to look after these inaccessible parts of the ship, and therefore make them stronger than you do?"

W.: "More money, and more careful supervision and more pains taken. It is a practical, mechanical thing. Our commerical experience of such structures where they have been tried is not encouraging . . ."
 

Roselle Zubey

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To Serena-I'm working on a historical novel about the building of the Titanic and the disaster from the point of view of the people in Ulster who built her. The reason that I'm asking about Edward Wilding is because my leading male fictional character holds Edward Wilding's position at Harland and Wolff or is the counterpart to him and along with his wife is a close friend of Thomas and Helen Andrews. I need as much information about Edward Wilding as I can get because I want to put an afterward or disclaimer in my book in which I tell people the he was a real executive or architect at Harland and Wolff and that my character has taken his place. I'm striving to be historically accurate and slot my characters into events as they actually happened so that's why I need this information. I almost want to be a history teacher and say that this is what it was like in Belfast while the Titanic was being built.
Thanks for asking Serena

To Dave-Is that the Moss and Hume book about Harland and Wolff? Should I use that book for the information that I need?

Roselle Zubey
 

Dave Gittins

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G'day, Roselle!

Shipbuilders to the World will help you a little. It's actually a rather boring book, being very much about H & W's dismal financial history. There's not a lot about the personalities and there is very little on the technical developments in the ships.

There's a new book about that I only know of vaguely. I think it's called "Belfast's Own" and it looks at the tale of the building and sinking from a Belfast perspective.
 
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Chris Hansen

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Belfast's Own is a WONDEFUL book about the shipyards in Belfast, the building of the Titanic, and the general subject of the Edwardian era shipbuilding in general.

It has photos of the yards taken to document the look of the shipyard after it was rebuilt following a devistating fire. They've got a little of everything in there, including that quasi-famous picture of Andrews with the notes stuffed in his pocket.

Roselle --- words from a fellow author in the Titanic field ---- Go For It! We NEED a story like that!


Chris
 

Roselle Zubey

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Dave and Chris-Thanks for the tips about the books. I have read both Shipbuilders to the World and Titanic Belfast's Own. I was thinking about purchasing Titanic Belfast's Own even though I read it at the library in New York City. Your good words about that book now confirmed for me that I will purchase it and use that as the basis for what I say about Edward Wilding in my book.

Also Chris thanks for the words of encouragement. They mean a lot when things get tough.

Roselle
 
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Serena

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To Roselle:
Great idea to write a book about the builders of the Titanic.I don´t know if I can help you,but I´ve collected information about the Titanic(especially Belfast,Harland and Wolff and Thomas Andrews)for 6 years.If you are interested,please contact me:
edw@gmx.net
 
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Kathleen Ryan

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Strange question here:

I heard the other day that Stephen Cameron, the author of "Belfast's Own" is now writing a book about Thomas Andrews? Is this true? If so, is it going to be similar to Shan Bullock's book from 1912?


Thanks
 
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Serena

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Yes,it´s true,but the book won´t be published until fall.The book will (I hope) include many new photos and a lot of new information.
 
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Chris Hansen

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I have to correct myself here for a second. When we were talking about "belfast's own" (which is a great book, by the way) I was actually discribing another book all together, with the photographs of Harland and Wolff after the fire and the photo of Andrews (which, I do believe, is in Belfast's Own too). The book I was discribing was actually "The Birth of the Titanic". I have too many books on this stuff.

Again, my apoligies.
 
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Chris Hansen

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I'm asking on behalf of a fellow researcher, but I am myself curious.

Helen Andrews married Henry Pierson Harland, that much I do know. But, when did they marry? All I can find is "some time" after Thomas' death.

Additionally, when did Harry Harland die? I know it was prior to 1966, when Helen herself died.


Any assistance in this area would be greatly appreciated.
 

JHPravatiner

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Harry Harland? I'm not up to snuff on Andrews, I'm afraid, so I have to ask...connected in any way to Harland and Wolff, or did Helen become shipbuilder-shy, so to speak, after the disaster?
 
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Chris Hansen

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> Harry Harland was one of the "Harland and Wolff" Harlands... a nephew, as I > recall. He and Helen married in 1916 or 1917. A friend of mine speculated > that she and Harland were having an affair before Andrews' death, but I > myself doubt it. I think it was more of a widow finding comfort with a > family friend, and comfort moved to love and/or marriage.
 

Mauro Zungri

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Somebody can assure that it was of the life of the daughter of Mr. Andrews. I have that living in Kenya and death in safari
 
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Hello,

Does anyone have a copy of Helen Barbour Andrews' 1966 obituary or know where I might obtain same? Thanks so much.

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