Thoughts on Jack and Rose

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Timothy Brandsoy


I was thinking on the same lines when reading the "What Film Makers Got Right" thread. Movie goers tend to embrace a new film eagerly or in Titanic's case, passionately, at first. Then in direct proportions to the films success, the self appointed critical critics will throw their hatchets at it. It's nothing new, every blockbuster has it's equally impassioned cynics. Some people just hate success!

I remember that initially Cameron's Titanic got great reviews from virtually every professional critic around the world. I appreciated the story for what it was: Romeo and Juliet. (Thanks Ing for pointing out the J&R reversal, I read here somewhere that at one time Rose was to have been 3rd class and Jack was 1st class, too true to Shakespeare perhaps?)

One point all of us need to think about was the need to make it work. Many of the people on Titanic would have required a lot of depth before and after Titanic. "The Unsinkable Molly Brown" for instance, it was a story about her (only somewhat true) and very little about or on Titanic. But with Jack and Rose's ordeal it was primarily on Titanic. They met there, they fell in love. It sinks, he dies. A tidy convention! A bit of fiction, based on Shakespeare on a real tragic ship. Still a great concept to me.

I think the consensus will eventually come back around. "Gone With The Wind" had just as many critics and some of the same criticisms: too modern dialogue, styles, etc. Although the critics reappear from time to time for different issues, GWTW is a revered classic.

Parks, BTW does Cameron pay any attention to these critics? Like Ricky Nelson said of his critics in "Garden Party" you can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself! ANTR has just as many, if not more, inconsistencies. I don't think there was a nursery on board with a rocking horse!

PS to Rachael, I don't see where I was rude to you. I was the third person to welcome you here. If you think I was talking 'down' to you to by saying: "Have a good look around this site. It will take a loooooong time to read everything here!" I've been here over a year and am still learning.

"And there's no need to be so rude."
"Good to see there's at least two nice people around here."
"Goodbye. I won't be posting here again."

Respect is a two way street.
Tim B

Sarah Houtby

I think Rachel was referring to me, as far as I can tell I'm the only one who shot off their mouth without thinking.
Michael H. Standart

Michael H. Standart

Well, if we want to go into some really bad portrayals of the incident as a whole, we could always dredge up that animated flick where the mice sang as the ship sank and nobody died. I think Inger had some observations on that one.

Have fun with this one!

Parks Stephenson

<font color="#006600">Parks, BTW does Cameron pay any attention to these critics?


I don't know how much time Cameron spends listening to critics. All I can say is that he does listen to his advisors and he's got a fantastic memory. There are details in "Ghosts of the Abyss" that have changed since "Titanic" because of critical comments brought to his attention. But does he surf the Net or scan the literature to read public criticism? I don't know. Given his schedule, I don't see where he would have had the time...he doesn't appear to ever sit down in one place for any length of time.

Michael H. Standart

Michael H. Standart

FWIW, I don't think I'd lose a lot of sleep over what film critics have to say. They are a remarkably uncreative lot but don't seem to be reluctant to heap scorn and ridicule on those who are creative.

Critics who happen to be technical experts on the subject would be a different matter, but from what I've seen over the past two years, Cameron makes a habit of seeking people like this out for counsel and advice. Not that the results will be perfect, but nothing ever is. Still, it's assuring to see some producers who are willing to go that distance. At least one has a chance of getting a better product that way.