TITANIC A Voyage of Discovery


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OMG!! Shelley! This website is soo cool! I had no idea that there was a conspiracy theory behind Titanic and Olympic. What do you think? Do you think that the Titanic and the Olympic were really switched out??? Wow! Would really love to hear your feedback on this!

Beverly
 
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Beverly, the Titanic/Olympicswitch theory was mooted by a gent named Gardiner and it's total nonsense. A fact which even Gardiner ended up fessing up to. The alleged idea was to pull off an insurance scam. An idea which makes no sense when you consider that White Star was one of the underwriters from their in-house insurance fund. They would be ripping themselves off.

While nominally of the same class, there are some very noticable differences between the ships, the partly enclosed promanade on A deck (The so-called Ismay Screen) being one of them. Then there are differences in the plating, porthole arrangement and so on to name a few.

In order to switch the ships, major alterations would have to be made to both involving hundreds of yardworkers who were intimately familier with the ships down to the last detail, differences and all! It's just not the sort of secret that could be kept. Especially since some lost freinds and reletives in the sinking.

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
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Among my sources, photos of both ships, deck plans, all of which are in the public domain, verious expert members of this board, and a lot more experience with shipyards and the way things are done there then I sometimes care to think about. I've gone through major overhauls of two aircraft carriers as well as through the construction and fitting out of a warship.

Most of my lessons with shipyards I learned first hand.

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
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Wow! I guess so! It is so good to have an authority to talk to then. Michael, do you recall who deemed the Titanic as "unsinkable"?
Wasn't it the press at the time? Who said "God himself could not sink her"?

Thanx

Beverly
 
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Beverly, supposedly, it was an unidentified crewmember who said "God himself could not sink this ship" thing to a passanger. And he didn't. The iceberg didn't need His help when human fraility did all the dirty work.

However, you're right in that it was the press which took the "practically unsinkable" statement out of context. They conveniently dropped the "practically" part and the rest took on a life of it's own.

BTW, I'm far from an authority on the subject, but I learn a lot from a few ladies and gents here who are. If you want to see a source where details and the differences among the Olympic Class Liners are discussed, go to The Titanic Research and Modeling Association at http://titanic-model.com/

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
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There are so many myths and legends as far as the "Unsinkable" line goes. Eva Hart's mother said that saying that ship was "Unsinkable" was like flying in the face of god.

Then there is a myth that because someone said that, God himself DID sink that ship by pushing the iceberg in it's way....

This whole thing seems so strange to me that someone could make that statement and then BoOm, it happens.......dumb luck?, Titanic in the wrong place at the wrong time?, an incredible coincidence?....or FATE?......whatever it was, it's strange to say the least.

Bill
 

Sam Brannigan

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As Walter Lord put it (sorry to keep quoting the old master!) it is a wonder the Titanic got so far before becoming seriously damaged on the night of the disaster.

Steaming into an iceberg strewn stretch of water in excess of 22 knots is really asking for trouble.

I don't believe fate or coincidence had anything to do with it. If Jay Yates had been given the full information about the Titanics navigation on the night in the smoking room, I think that he would have put a good bet on some sort of mishap occuring to the ship.

Regards

Sam
 
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Beverly,
Hello there, I do not really recall who made that comment but it should never have been made simply because the unsinkable ship is a myth anyway, as Andrews put it in cameron's film, "She's made out of iron sir, I assure you she can....and she will"

The thought of someone pronouncing it "unsinkable" and then turns around and sinks it's first time out is kind of eerie is it not? We can attach our own theories to it...religious and otherwise, I believe I commented on this in another message on here further up.

Michael is a very good source of information here as I am sure others are as well, I can also be of assistance to you as my wife could tell you that I drive her crazy with what I know about Titanic.

Sincerly,
Bill
 
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Hi Sandro,

Just looked and I would not recommend that web-site. There seem to be a lot of errors [and outdated information] in the few pages I looked at.
 

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