That is what both of then claimed.Olliver and Boxhall arrived on the bridge in time to see Murdoch closing the watertight doors.
Boxhall said he heard 3 bells from the nest, and then depending which of four Boxhall stories you care to believe, at the time of those 3 bells he was doing something different. Then he said he heard the H-astarboard order followed by engine telegraph bells ringing, followed by the impact before he even got onto the bridge.Boxhall heard the order. Olliver did not.
According to QM Rowe, 5/O Lowe and several others, the ship's head was facing north during the evacuation.Boxhall said the collision happened immediately after he heard the helm order and believed the Titanic was still facing west during the evacuation. This tells us he did not believe there was time for any maneouvre to be carried out and she was still facing west.
Not at all. Different situations. In the Arabic it was a sailing ship crossing the ship's bows, while in the Titanic it was a stationary iceberg ahead and possibly very fine off the starboard bow. What his experience tells us is that he takes the time to assess the situation before jumping into action. His maneuver with Titanic appears to be a deliberate attempt to take the blow so as to dissipate the energy of collision along the ship's side instead of taking it head on. It almost worked. (Ever approach an object head on in a moving vehicle that could not stop in time?)Murdoch's experience aboard the Arabic tells us the last thing he would do was order hard a-starboard as this would crush the entire side of the ship against the iceberg and serve no purpose at all.
So what does all that say about Boxhall's accounts?The only way to make sense out of the hard a-starboard order is to believe the iceberg was a considerable distance away and there was sufficient time to turn, but going by Boxhall's account (all three) there wasn't time to get the wheel hard over, let alone turn the helm hard over.
No it doesn't. Murdoch was not going to hit the berg head on and have the bows crushed in like an accordion possibly killing all those in the forecastle.It just goes against Murdoch's judgement to do that, and Olliver never heard the order.
It was Fleet who gave that impression. If you read his testimony carefully you will see that it was Lee who told him that the ship was veering to port after he got off the phone and took his place back on the port side of the nest. The phone box was located on the aft starboard side of the nest, behind where Lee normally stood.the lookouts said the ship was already turning before they even reported it,
It was Fleet who gave that impression. If you read his testimony carefully you will see that it was Lee who told him that the ship was veering to port after he got off the phone and took his place back on the port side of the nest. The phone box was located on the aft starboard side of the nest, behind where Lee normally stood.
With the Inquiries as twisted and corrupt as they were, pretty much any theory has creditability. Actually, I wanted to mention this...
In George Behe's ''Voices From he Carpathia, Rescuing RMS Titanic'' One passenger was told what happened by Hitchens. Bearing in mind he possibly hasn't be told to shut up or keep quiet, he states that Murdoch saw the iceberg and just as he touched the telegraph to ''Stop'' the iceberg hit.
This suggests a) Titanic never even turned and that b) no action was taken at all.
Have a look for the report written by Howard Chapin which must be in that book too. There you will find the longer story with the helm orders (first Hard to Starboard and with the collision Hard to Port)