Titanic Branson to Host Ice Sculpture Contest


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Eric Longo

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Hi All,

Titanic Branson is actually hosting an ice sculpture competition on January 13, 2007. Does anyone recall when I asked, in jest, about getting ice sculptures in Branson a while back? I can't find the thread, and the "regular" Branson thread is closed - I remembered them being the same thread but I guess not. Anyway, I think this idea is extremely distasteful (although not really surprising)! Now how could this possibly be reverent?
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The ice sculpting/carving competition takes place.....NEAR THE BOW! What could possibly be next? This makes meeting the fictional "star-crossed lovers" "Jack" and "Rose" in February's "Sweetheart Month" celebration of "romance on the high seas" look sane! I see they have her full name as "Rose De Witt Buker" - changed for Cameron copyright stuff - or just wrong, like the quote Captain Smith actually made about the Adriatic in 1907 (if memory serves) that they used to pass as Titanic April 1912? Ice and Titanic - what a lucky PR mix
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Eric

"Beautiful replicas of the Titanic made from high quality imported Crystal. Exquisite 3-D detailing to scale" - uh, what scale?
 
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Distasteful is rather a mild word for such shenanigans, Mr. Longo - particularly when one takes note of the precise location of the event.
Is ther anything these Branson folk won't do?

"Beautiful replicas of the Titanic made from high quality imported Crystal. Exquisite 3-D detailing to scale" - uh, what scale?

Sounds... well, to scale, if you ask me, Eric. Foot for foot, inch for inch.
They ought to weigh a couple of tons.
 
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Can any one confirm the press release of a Times Square -type ball descending from the mast on New Year's Eve? I have not seen this article,- it's just "making the rounds" this past week.
 
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Found a mention of it on the website- not a ball, but a spiral, not descending but ascending.

"Titanic will be ablaze with hundreds of lights...and as the midnight hour approaches a glowing spiral of lights will wind its way one hundred feet up Titanic's mast and set off a brilliant rocket display precisely at midnight."
 

Eric Longo

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Hi,

Yes, I saw that too along with Boy Scout Day. That was what I stopped off to see actually, this Time Square thing, and it is pretty crazy to me anyway. But the ice/Titanic combo has proven to be problematic in the past and in my view is again. As a concept I find it really horrid, and perhaps indefensible.

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To me, it comes down to "Tacky!! Tacky!! Tacky!!".

Here is the data for: BOY SCOUT DAY: "Earn a special Titanic Merit Badge for participating in a learning experience."; there is not listing of what this experience is supposed to be, only that we need to call for more information or to book your Scout troop.

I'm surprised this Exhibit is not able to simply have the Titanic displays and items, alone, to draw in the crowds.

I have also not heard whether any of the Titanic Societies plan to have any gatherings in Branson.
 
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hmmmm...
In the front of the Union Depot in St Paul, the site of the 1999 Titanic Artifact exhibition, there was an amazingly detailed ice sculpture of the Titanic- that was fine...but an ice sculpture contest at the Branson Titanic museum?
i don't know.....
 
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what?
Will this rocket display be a recreation of the rockets fired on the sinking Titanic, esentially a cry for help for the 1500 people about to die? Im confused here....
 
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Timothy Trower

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Eric Longo posted "I can't find the thread, and the "regular" Branson thread is closed"

The thread was deleted by the moderators after it degenerated into an open sewer. The other Branson Titanic thread was locked because of the same.

If you haven't visited the attraction, then that should be the first step before you criticize lights, fireworks and ice sculptures.
 
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>>The thread was deleted by the moderators after it degenerated into an open sewer.<<

Yes it did, so let's please make sure it doesn't happen here. I realize that the Branson Exhibet has both it's supporters and detractors, each for their own good reasons. I'd like to think that reasonable people can disagree about something without making it personal, and according each other the mutual respect that each point of view deserves rather then let it all degenerate into a study in baiting and name calling.

In other words, discuss it if you will, but let's keep it clean.
 

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Well, I do not recall being part of the personal attacks, nor do I intend to start engaging in any now. Thanks, but I do not think I need to fly some 900 miles to see that show to formulate a general opinion based on the way they promote themselves. That promotion is intended to draw visitors, so it must be conveying something, and seeing the angle they chose I believe I can see what I need to quite well from here. "Romance and adventure were in the air when Titanic set sail on April 14, 1912. Fourteen couples traveling on Titanic were on their honeymoon, nine in first class." "In a month-long celebration of romance on the high seas, the Titanic Events Museum Attraction will invite guests to celebrate their own love stories as they relive the on-screen romance between “Rose” and “Jack,” the star-crossed lovers in the James Cameron’s movie."

What was the survival rate of the grooms again? Is that really that "romantic"? Does the appearance of these 2nd generation fictional characters teach anything about the experience of that evening? Is it really needed?

Eric Longo

I guess I just have to remember that, first and foremost, the building is designed to entice people into stopping, parking, getting the 2.3 kids out of the car and forking over some of that cash that they brought with them.
 

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>"Romance and adventure were in the air when Titanic set sail on April 14, 1912.

Good to see that the brilliant level of scholarship has been maintained.

"In a month-long celebration of romance on the high seas, the Titanic Events Museum Attraction will invite guests to celebrate their own love stories as they relive the on-screen romance between “Rose” and “Jack,” the star-crossed lovers in the James Cameron’s movie."

Also good to see that they are bypassing the Hollywood angle and playing up the more scholarly aspects of the museum.

Oh, here's a great idea:

"The majority of the Titanic's married couples saw their dreams of better times end with terror and a fairly agonizing prolonged death! A perfect analogy for marriage in the 21st Century, and now you can celebrate the painful death of your own romance at Titanic Branson's own Chapel Of Divorce. Why "Smack the B- up" in court when, for a modest fee, you can restore Old Tyme Romance to the concept of a failing marriage? You'll thrill to the sensation of pending tragedy when at 11:40 PM, our own Rodrigo knocks on the door of your deluxe suite and summons you to our boat deck Bower of Marital Misery where an official of the State of Missouri, dressed as either Captain Smith, Father Byles, Reverend Carter or the Rabbi from the 1912 incarnation of Temple Emanu-el on Fifth Avenue, legally declares your marriage null and void. Your wife is then escorted to a lifeboat and you tenderly place her inside and wave as she is lowered away, and you both begin your exciting new lives as swinging singles Branson style."

The mind boggles at the fun possibilities presented for mockery by this new bottoming out, does it not?


>If you haven't visited the attraction, then that should be the first step before you criticize lights, fireworks and ice sculptures.

No, it shouldn't and for reasons that should be painfully apparent. Would you care to explain, Mr. Trouwer, what is appropriate about the linking of romance and violent death, and why you feel that someone should shell out airfare or carfare to Branson, plus hotel fees AND the museum admission to negate the incredibly bad impression made by the tacky level of promotion the exhibit continues to employ? I'll use critic John Simon's defense for not finishing the book Valley of the Dolls before panning it: "If I know that the stew is rancid, do I have to keep eating it until I vomit?" From the looks of the promo material the stew seems rancid indeed.
 

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>BOY SCOUT DAY: "Earn a special Titanic Merit Badge for participating in a learning experience."

Family fun! How about this for aspiring Eagle Scouts: "WHAT WOULD YOU DO? You are 13 years old, and traveling with your mother and younger sibling. You reach the gate to the boat deck and are prevented from entering by a crew member who judges 13 to be "adult male." Your mother refuses to abandon you, but you know that means that she and your younger sibling will now die with you when the ship sinks. What would an Eagle Scout do? What Would YOU Do?"

"You are, at twelve years old, the oldest surviving male in your family after the death of your father aboard the Titanic. Your mother simply won't stop crying and spends much of her day in bed, and you are barely getting by on the money from the Relief Fund. A job as a runner boy paying .15 per hour has opened up in the coal mine, and a concerned neighbor has alerted you to it. Taking the job will help your family, but will place you in a great deal of danger and force you to give up any hopes of escaping poverty through school. What would an Eagle Scout do? What would YOU do?"

"Your father died aboard the Titanic and your tubercular mother has now died as well. Neither paternal nor maternal extended families want you. You are alone in the world. What would an Eagle Scout do? What would YOU do?
 

Jim Kalafus

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>Will this rocket display be a recreation of the rockets fired on the sinking Titanic, esentially a cry for help for the 1500 people about to die?

Yes, but dont' worry about that! Those who are offended can sit in complete comfort in the new Stanley Lord All The Gold in Californian Showroom atop the Oak Ridge Boys World of Wonder, and ignore them until they go away
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"Titanic will be ablaze with hundreds of lights...and as the midnight hour approaches a glowing spiral of lights will wind its way one hundred feet up Titanic's mast and set off a brilliant rocket display precisely at midnight."

Ahh...every time one thinks that rock bottom has been reached, there is a new way to lower the bar.
 
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Timothy Trower

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Jim,

Three posts, and I've yet to see anything that acknowledges that you've visited the attraction. Instead, I see lactations and satire.

Titanic Branson is there for one reason. They have assembled the finest collection of items from the ship and or from the passengers that has been assembled in one place. And, shock of shocks, they are charging people money to come and see it. (What is this world coming to?)

No item there was recovered from the sea bed. Unlike other exhibitions, there has been no ghoulish grave robbing to complete the attraction. No circus-like cruises to watch a "big piece" surface, only to fall back to its former resting place.

No shoes taken from the grave of those who wore them last.

As I have posted before, if you have a problem with the self-promotion of Titanic Branson, then don't go. I feel you are only making a fool of yourself as you write inane lactations and descriptions that don't make sense and don't have a place on this board.

If you are a true Titanic buff, you will want to visit Titanic Branson. If not, then don't expect my respect.
 
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Eric Longo posted "I guess I just have to remember that, first and foremost, the building is designed to entice people into stopping, parking, getting the 2.3 kids out of the car and forking over some of that cash that they brought with them."

Bingo! And once they are inside, the learning, the reflecting and the horror of it all sets in. I've seen people in tears as they looked at some of the exhibits; as they look at the memorial wall and find that the name on their pass is the name of someone who perished; and watched them as they walk in stunned silence out of the exhibit area.

You may choose not to attend -- and that is your prerogative -- but I think that you are much the poorer as a result.
 

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It was that statement about the purpose of the building, and the slick promotional paths that have been chosen that have pushed me away as I too have little doubt I'd walk away in stunned silence. If this renders me "poorer", so be it.

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Your first statement contradicts your other statements. Please be consistent when arguing.

'The other Branson Titanic thread was locked because of the same.'
'You may choose not to attend -- and that is your prerogative -- but I think that you are much the poorer as a result.'
'As I have posted before, if you have a problem with the self-promotion of Titanic Branson, then don't go. I feel you are only making a fool of yourself as you write inane lactations and descriptions that don't make sense and don't have a place on this board.'

If this exhibit is so educational and filled with wonderous items- why are they using cheezy stunts that have no educational value to bring in people? Aren't some of the people running this exhibits people who have taken part in exhibits that featured items recovered from the sea floor? I think so... Some survivors were fascinated with the recovered items. Others were not. Walter Lord also was fascinated with the recovered items. I don't think that makes Walter or those survivors who agreed with it ghouls, do you?

No one has a problem with the museum making money. It is the way it makes money. If you asked a survivor to attend this museum, I think you would get a resounding, 'NO'. What survivor would want to walk through an iceberg to get to a museum? Or join in the holiday decorated staircase or watch a wedding there? None that I can think of and I met quite a few over the years. As I've said before, the museum has its good points, and some things seem interesting, but the negative and the stunt pulling far outweighs anything positive about this museum. Or should it be labeled carnival? No serious museum would do this in order to preserve history!
 

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>Three posts, and I've yet to see anything that acknowledges that you've visited the attraction. Instead, I see lactations and satire.

Lactation? Wrong gender. And academic now- I'm 40-too risky.

I've stated, on previous threads that, yes, I've been there and, yes, at the last moment I decided not to enter because the building was just so depessingly tacky and the promotion so stupid that I could not,in good conscience put money into the coffers of thosoe who make such appalling decisions.


>Titanic Branson is there for one reason. They have assembled the finest collection of items from the ship and or from the passengers that has been assembled in one place. And, shock of shocks, they are charging people money to come and see it. (What is this world coming to?)

No one said they shouldn't charge money to see it. Read back through all three threads. That point has never been raised, so don't raise it now as a rebuttal. As you know, the issue of money has only come up in the context of "Rent the Titanic" and the Gift shop.

You've avoided, in all three threads, ever addressing the question I keep asking, in various forms, which is "why is it appropriate to mix romance and violent death?" Before you speak another word about "shoes taken from the grave" answer it. You'll notice, if you take the time to read all three threads, that I've not once commented on the artifacts, not having seen them. I've mocked. many times, the gross building, the dubious educational exhibits, the mixing of fact and fiction as it were by combining the real disaster with the movie, and the motives of those behind all of the above, but I've said NOT ONE WORD about the Titanic items. So, let's eliminate that as a rebuttal, or even as a talking point, until you can, in one sentence, one paragraph, one brilliantly constructed essay, explain to me why you think
~ Marketing the Titanic as romantic is appropriate.
~ Why the historians involved allow the "April 1912" quote from Captain Smith and stupid mistakes like "When the Titanic set sail on April 14th" to remain in the promos.
~ Why decorating, or shooting fireworks, from the recreated site of the deaths of 1500 people is allowed?
~ How "renting the Titanic" is an appropriate way to honor those lost aboard her. Titanic weddings?

~ How not answering these questions enhances the reputation of the historians involved in this project.

>No item there was recovered from the sea bed. Unlike other exhibitions, there has been no ghoulish grave robbing to complete the attraction.

That is debatable. This exhibit seemingly dances on the graves of those who died, with its relentless exploitation. To be frank, on the worst day he ever lived, Mr. Tulloch would not have condoned sentiments as venal and stupid as "Romance and adventure were in the air when Titanic set sail on April 14, 1912. Fourteen couples traveling on Titanic were on their honeymoon, nine in first class." "In a month-long celebration of romance on the high seas, the Titanic Events Museum Attraction will invite guests to celebrate their own love stories as they relive the on-screen romance between “Rose” and “Jack,” the star-crossed lovers in the James Cameron’s movie." and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for taking that particular tack A) in light of the ceaselessly bizarre levels to which Titanic Branson promotion rises and B) not realising what a remarkable bunch of rotten tomatoes you handed to me to hurl back. So, before you say another word implying that the RMST Titanic exhibits are, somehow, lesser or not as "pure of soul" as this one is, tell us why fireworks, romance, wedding rentals, costumed extras, the "April 1912 " quote from Captain Smith, and the "Holiday Wonderland" represent an improvement. Ghoulish is subjective, but somehow I think presenting the Titanic as fun is..if not ghoulish...then certainly Geekish. "Geek" as you'll recall, was the midway attraction who, for a fee, would bite the heads off of live chickens for the edification of the merrie crowds. "Well, okay, it was horrible and it appealed to the lowest common demoninator but the public loved it, it drew crowds, it brought people to our more uplifting exhibits like the Christian Temperance League Tent, and it made a lot of money." Sound familiar?

> No circus-like cruises to watch a "big piece" surface, only to fall back to its former resting place.

"Romance and adventure were in the air when Titanic set sail on April 14, 1912.... invite guests to celebrate their own love stories as they relive the on-screen romance between “Rose” and “Jack,” the star-crossed lovers in the James Cameron’s movie."

Says it better than I ever could. Again, you should be ashamed for both bringing this up, and condoning this schlock which serves to drive people away from the more commendable parts of the exhibit.
 
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I checked the home page a moment ago and didn't see the photo of the "light ring" that ascends the mast on New Year's Eve. When it reaches the top, then fireworks will go off to bring in 2007. I presume the fireworks are similar to the ones fired off during the grand opening. Robert H. Gibbons
 
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