Milos Grkovic
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Milos Grkovic
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A new livestream with Matt and Kyle that will be this Saturday.
The description of the stream:
"Join some of the team for a historical and behind-the-scenes breakdown on the latest demo updates. We're going to try and get through as much as possible! It might be a long one...
We'll also let out of the bag what we hope to update next based on our latest research and finished THG models!
A third guest might show up!"
The description of the stream:
"Join some of the team for a historical and behind-the-scenes breakdown on the latest demo updates. We're going to try and get through as much as possible! It might be a long one...
We'll also let out of the bag what we hope to update next based on our latest research and finished THG models!
A third guest might show up!"
Milos Grkovic
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Confirmed by Titanic Honor and Glory page on Facebook. It reads thus:
"Join us tomorrow (around this time, 4PM EDT) for another deep look at Demo 401. We'll talk about what's being worked on, what's being changed, what's finished for P401/THG, and there will even be a Titanic-sized giveaway you can enter!
https://www.youtube.com/live/-Bql1RPMLqY?si=fQhxUSExH0WSohSw"
"Join us tomorrow (around this time, 4PM EDT) for another deep look at Demo 401. We'll talk about what's being worked on, what's being changed, what's finished for P401/THG, and there will even be a Titanic-sized giveaway you can enter!
https://www.youtube.com/live/-Bql1RPMLqY?si=fQhxUSExH0WSohSw"
Milos Grkovic
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New post from Kyle on Patreon. The full post has renders so I'll include the link here.
May 2024 Recap | Titanic: Honor and GloryGet more from Titanic: Honor and Glory on Patreon
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May 2024 Recap
"Hi folks, Kyle here. It's been a month since Titanic Month ended and our last big update on here, so let's do some catching-up...
TITANIC ARCHIVE
In my previous updates, I talked about building a reference archive and scanning photos in our collection. This archive is an internal thing for the team and volunteers, not for the public, as permissions and copyrights vary wildly across the material.
The archive is still coming along. We suffered a setback a while ago after the online version of the archive just sort of vanished. We're not sure why, though luckily it hadn't gotten very far at that point. We moved to another service and have been slowly building it up again. I also finished scanning all those photos, though the work didn't stop there.
Since then, I've been building a "research" archive, distinct from the "reference" archive in that this one is all the base material that the reference archive may pull from. In order to build up the latter, we needed to build up the former. I've spent the last few months working on this, going through tends of thousands of files and sorting them by class, room/space type, and so on. Given how disorganized our references have been for the last decade, this is sorely needed.
That research archive is finally done aside from the nitty gritty stuff, and I've now made it available for some of our other researchers to take over and further organize as needed. Meanwhile, Matt is continuing to build up the other Reference Archive.
The archive is still coming along. We suffered a setback a while ago after the online version of the archive just sort of vanished. We're not sure why, though luckily it hadn't gotten very far at that point. We moved to another service and have been slowly building it up again. I also finished scanning all those photos, though the work didn't stop there.
Since then, I've been building a "research" archive, distinct from the "reference" archive in that this one is all the base material that the reference archive may pull from. In order to build up the latter, we needed to build up the former. I've spent the last few months working on this, going through tends of thousands of files and sorting them by class, room/space type, and so on. Given how disorganized our references have been for the last decade, this is sorely needed.
That research archive is finally done aside from the nitty gritty stuff, and I've now made it available for some of our other researchers to take over and further organize as needed. Meanwhile, Matt is continuing to build up the other Reference Archive.
PROJECT 401 - MIRA
Work has been ongoing for Project 401 and MIRA, largely being done by Derek. This is where I'll actually leave it up to Derek to post his own update talking more in-depth about his work so far and maybe show off a few things. (I'll include a couple of teasers anyway!)
MODELING - VOLUNTEERS
We've still been looking at bringing on more volunteers, but the process of doing that and getting them going will be slow until the reference archive is at a ready enough state. That said, we've already had a few volunteers continuing to work on various objects - mostly small things that are all over the ship. I'll throw some images of some of these things in the above slideshow, but here's one notable object - a heater switch:
As you can see, the new model is a HUGE improvement over... let's call it the old model. The improvement stems partly from the bonkers polygon counts we can have now, and partly from new and improved research. A decade ago (probably when the old version was made), we felt extremely limited by the tech of the time, and the reference photos we had were simply of abysmal resolutions (something I touch on in my Rebuilding Titanic posts).
It's fun to look into these smaller fittings and see what we can do with them. It's easy to overlook them in photos, and then you actually look into them and find out fun little tidbits, like how they worked:
Sufficed to say, we can't wait to have these things "hooked up" to heaters for the player to switch on and off as much as they want.
As you can see, the new model is a HUGE improvement over... let's call it the old model. The improvement stems partly from the bonkers polygon counts we can have now, and partly from new and improved research. A decade ago (probably when the old version was made), we felt extremely limited by the tech of the time, and the reference photos we had were simply of abysmal resolutions (something I touch on in my Rebuilding Titanic posts).
It's fun to look into these smaller fittings and see what we can do with them. It's easy to overlook them in photos, and then you actually look into them and find out fun little tidbits, like how they worked:
Sufficed to say, we can't wait to have these things "hooked up" to heaters for the player to switch on and off as much as they want.
WHAT ABOUT THE STEEL?
Naturally, I was not really able to work on the structural model while organizing the archive (I know, what a shock). When something grabs my attention, it takes all of it, which can be great sometimes and not great other times. Sadly, nobody else really had the time to do that organization work the way it needed to be done and in short order, so it fell on me as some of these things tend to do. It was also definitely a bit of a snowball, but one that was desperately needed for this project, and one I had tried and failed to do in previous years.
That said, the Research Archive being finished on my end means I'm free to get back to the REALLY important stuff, while the rest of the team now has a nice new archive to work from. Once I get back into swing of things, I hope to have more fun stuff to show off.
I'm sure there's stuff I'm missing or should mention, but I'll leave it at that for now and let Derek post something Soon. ™©® "
That said, the Research Archive being finished on my end means I'm free to get back to the REALLY important stuff, while the rest of the team now has a nice new archive to work from. Once I get back into swing of things, I hope to have more fun stuff to show off.
I'm sure there's stuff I'm missing or should mention, but I'll leave it at that for now and let Derek post something Soon. ™©® "
Milos Grkovic
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A long awaiting video by Matt for Titanic University.
Milos Grkovic
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New update from Kyle plus his shared screen captures of the progress on the hull.
"Here it goes again...
Not much to see so far, just starting to work through the plating for more watertight bulkheads."
"Here it goes again...
Not much to see so far, just starting to work through the plating for more watertight bulkheads."
Milos Grkovic
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I'm a little confused about this project.
Is this the same team whom, a few years back, claimed Murdoch must have seen the iceberg before the lookouts based solely upon the highly questionable testimony of Frederick "I can't remember if I saw the iceberg 5 minutes or two hours before the collision" Fleet? And disregarded all contrary testimony for their "golden egg"?
I can not understand, for the life of me, why so much smoke get's blown up the arse of a team which has - time and time again - proven themselves to be not only unknowledgeable about the ship, but incredibly unreliable in their "discoveries" of her history or construction. Their is nothing in their 3D model which is not available on Bruce Beveridge's deck plans which have been publicly available for over 15 years.
In short, they should put up or shut up. They have been accepting money for this for over ten years, and produced nothing but excuses for why they aren't done yet. A team of trained monkeys could have produced this in the same timeframe with the same information.
Is this the same team whom, a few years back, claimed Murdoch must have seen the iceberg before the lookouts based solely upon the highly questionable testimony of Frederick "I can't remember if I saw the iceberg 5 minutes or two hours before the collision" Fleet? And disregarded all contrary testimony for their "golden egg"?
I can not understand, for the life of me, why so much smoke get's blown up the arse of a team which has - time and time again - proven themselves to be not only unknowledgeable about the ship, but incredibly unreliable in their "discoveries" of her history or construction. Their is nothing in their 3D model which is not available on Bruce Beveridge's deck plans which have been publicly available for over 15 years.
In short, they should put up or shut up. They have been accepting money for this for over ten years, and produced nothing but excuses for why they aren't done yet. A team of trained monkeys could have produced this in the same timeframe with the same information.
Milos Grkovic
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An important part was extracted from the post about the expedition which is copied from THG's Patreon:
"Everyone here at THG is so excited to announce that our Creative Director James Penca will be representing our team on the upcoming RMST expedition to Titanic! While on board the research vessel, James will be recording episodes for his podcast WITNESS TITANIC. Follow/Subscribe to the pod to get a behind the scenes look at the adventure and enjoy interviews with members of the expedition team. Links to the various podcast services can be found here:
Witness Titanic
Additionally, Matt DeWinkeleer's incredible deck plans will also be making the journey and will serve the dive team just 2.5 miles above the source material!"
I'll also include a full news report from them which was posted on 5th April, to give more context of this expedition.
"Everyone here at THG is so excited to announce that our Creative Director James Penca will be representing our team on the upcoming RMST expedition to Titanic! While on board the research vessel, James will be recording episodes for his podcast WITNESS TITANIC. Follow/Subscribe to the pod to get a behind the scenes look at the adventure and enjoy interviews with members of the expedition team. Links to the various podcast services can be found here:
Witness Titanic
Additionally, Matt DeWinkeleer's incredible deck plans will also be making the journey and will serve the dive team just 2.5 miles above the source material!"
I'll also include a full news report from them which was posted on 5th April, to give more context of this expedition.
Can you please explain how "Matt DeWinkeleer's incredible deck plans" are somehow different from Bruce's? I have seen nothing in their demos which differs.
Dan E. Parkes
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Hello Darren. Bruce's plans are indeed very good, but Matt's deck plans are incredibly detailed, to a level that is at times breathtaking. Moreover, they are constantly updated with the latest research, so are a powerful resource for any researcher. Highly recommended.
Hi Dan,
Given their research includes the claim that Murdoch saw the iceberg before the lookouts, a conclusion they came to based solely on the highly questionable testimony of Fleet whilst disregarding all conflicting evidence, I do not hold much regard for their claims.
You also did not answer my question about what makes Matt's plans superior to Bruce's. What is so breathtaking about them? As far as I am aware, Matt did not help design or build the Olympic class ships - if he did, we would still be waiting for them to be built in 2024. He only has access to the same information as everyone else. His speculation is not fact. So please, explain why Matt's plans are superior to Bruce's, despite the fact they are obviously the same plans.
Dan E. Parkes
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As already stated, they have much more detail than Bruce's, based on years of research from many different sources. Bruce's plans are indeed excellent but now of course dated, while Matt's are the latest research and continue to be updated. Check them out yourself if you get the chance (www.titanicdeckplan.com) and if you find any issues I am sure the team would be happy to hear from you.
Incidentally, it is quite plausible that Murdoch spotted the iceberg simultaneously with the lookouts. That is not a conclusion unique to H&G.
Thomas Krom
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It are nice plans, do not get me wrong, but it's a bit painful when you see your notes being incorporated into it while they removed your name that was once on it. But that's just the two-cents of an old team member.
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