Lester Mitcham
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A very informative paper.
John Eaton wrote: >>As can be best determined, there were aboard at this point 2,228 persons — 1,320 passengers and 908 "working" crew. The figure of 2,228 was reached after minute examination of records and lists prepared by Titanic's owners and the official governmental bodies who investigated her loss.<<
I disagree. A minute examination of Records and Lists yields 2,208 as the best determination.
I hope that Mr Eaton will detail how his figures are arrived at. The figures from his co-authored book: Titanic A Journey Through Time concludes:
1st Class 337, 2nd Class 271, 3rd Class 712 = 1,320 with 908 Crew = 2,228
As these are the same figures [be it in more detail] presented in Mr Eaton's paper let us look at them.
I conclude Crew 891, but accept that if you add the 8 bandsmen and all "9" of the H&W Guarantee Group that a total of 908 is arrived at.
2nd Class. I conclude 284, but after deleting the 8 bandsmen and the 6 members of the H&W Guarantee Group who travelling on 2nd Class tickets and by leaving Alfred Nourney [booked to travel as the Baron van Drachstedt] as a 2nd Class passenger that 284 could be amended to 271.
3rd Class. I conclude 709. It would be interesting to compare my 709 names [essentially the same as the 708 on this web-site, plus Olga Lundin] with Eaton's 712.
1st Class. I conclude 324, but if you remove the 3 members of the H&W Guarantee Group who travelled on 1st Class tickets together with Alfred Nourney then the figure becomes 320. So where does 337 come from?
The US Senate says 329. The accompanying Passenger List names 322, to which we can add the name of the Carter manservant, Alexander Cairns. Why then does the Summary say 329? My conclusion is that they have added the small List of Telegraphic names appended after the Main List without realizing that the names are already in the Main List.
It would seem that Mr Eaton has compounded the error by adding 8 to 329 to arrive at 337, which means that his 1st Class figure is over inflated by 8+8 plus Messrs Andrews, Chisholm & Parr who he has removed to form part of the Crew figure of 908.
I wonder who Crew member Thomas Hare is? - I have not previously seen that name in any Crew List [including Mr Eaton's own Crew List].
Lester
John Eaton wrote: >>As can be best determined, there were aboard at this point 2,228 persons — 1,320 passengers and 908 "working" crew. The figure of 2,228 was reached after minute examination of records and lists prepared by Titanic's owners and the official governmental bodies who investigated her loss.<<
I disagree. A minute examination of Records and Lists yields 2,208 as the best determination.
I hope that Mr Eaton will detail how his figures are arrived at. The figures from his co-authored book: Titanic A Journey Through Time concludes:
1st Class 337, 2nd Class 271, 3rd Class 712 = 1,320 with 908 Crew = 2,228
As these are the same figures [be it in more detail] presented in Mr Eaton's paper let us look at them.
I conclude Crew 891, but accept that if you add the 8 bandsmen and all "9" of the H&W Guarantee Group that a total of 908 is arrived at.
2nd Class. I conclude 284, but after deleting the 8 bandsmen and the 6 members of the H&W Guarantee Group who travelling on 2nd Class tickets and by leaving Alfred Nourney [booked to travel as the Baron van Drachstedt] as a 2nd Class passenger that 284 could be amended to 271.
3rd Class. I conclude 709. It would be interesting to compare my 709 names [essentially the same as the 708 on this web-site, plus Olga Lundin] with Eaton's 712.
1st Class. I conclude 324, but if you remove the 3 members of the H&W Guarantee Group who travelled on 1st Class tickets together with Alfred Nourney then the figure becomes 320. So where does 337 come from?
The US Senate says 329. The accompanying Passenger List names 322, to which we can add the name of the Carter manservant, Alexander Cairns. Why then does the Summary say 329? My conclusion is that they have added the small List of Telegraphic names appended after the Main List without realizing that the names are already in the Main List.
I wonder who Crew member Thomas Hare is? - I have not previously seen that name in any Crew List [including Mr Eaton's own Crew List].
Lester
