Titanic The Ship Magnificent


David Porter

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Has anyone been able to get a copy of this book? I tried late last year via Amazon.co.uk and they kept pushing the shipping date out. I finally cancel the order and replaced the order through Amazon.com - who has pushed the shipping date out again. Both the US as well as the UK sites say that the book is available, but I'm having my doubts. The same applies to Janette McCutcheon's new book: White Star Line: A Photographic History. Again, both sites say they are available, but the shipping date keeps getting pushed out.
 
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Again, both sites say they are available, but the shipping date keeps getting pushed out.
From what I know, the Beveridge book is not available yet. However, you can rest assured that it will be well worth it when it is published.

With regard to the Amazon (and other online) dates, I know from my own experience that they may not reflect reality. I once saw a date that did not seem to have any basis in fact.

I don't think you need to worry about them -- it's my understanding that both books *will* be published, it's just a question of when. There are inevitable delays in the publishing industry. As I've said, I'm sure the Beveridge book -- indeed, both books -- will be well worth the wait.

Best wishes,

Mark.​
 
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Amazon.uk went ahead and canceled my order. I have to presume from this that there's some sort of delay. Perhaps Bruce or Steve may want to speak to this. Whatever the case may be, I'm as certain as Mark is that the book will be well worth the wait. The research done by the team of Beveridge and Hall is first rate!
 
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Amazon.uk went ahead and canceled my order. I have to presume from this that there's some sort of delay.
Not at all. As I understand it, they can only hold credit card/payment details for pre-orders for a certain amount of time according to UK law. I once had an order cancelled owing to that problem, even when the book I had ordered was published on schedule. I think what's more likely is that the initial date given was far too optimistic.

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I'm as certain as Mark is that the book will be well worth the wait. The research done by the team of Beveridge and Hall is first rate!
Agreed -- and the final words of your two sentences form a rhyme!

Best wishes,

Mark.​
 
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According to the publisher, Tempus, Bruce & Steve's book will be released in November.

Mike, Amazon.uk cancelled my order as well; apparently they will hold an open order for only so long. I just went ahead and reordered it.

While we're on the topic, Tempus also told me that another looooong awaited title, The White Star Line a Photograhic History is going to be released sometime this month. We shall see!

all the best, Michael (TMiB)
 
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Hi guys,


Yes, I'm sorry, I blew a good four deadlines. I hope that the book will be ready for Christmas. It is being copy edited now and checked for technical accuracy by my team, but the text is done.

Thanks for the kind words also,

Bruce
 

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This will be a book that anyone interested in Titanic will want in their collection. The endless amount of research and time gone into it simply cannot be measured.
The bar has now been lifted.

Steve
 
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Bruce, don't beat yourself up over those missed deadlines.

To all,

Having been involved in this project myself, I feel confident in stating that the enormity of the task which has been taken on here has simply caused everyone on all sides of this project to repeatedly and royally under-estimate the amount of time and work required to complete any portion of this book. My personal feeling is that even if everything could be handed over to the publisher at this very instant, even a Christmas release would still be a bit too optimistic. I say this because, even though the people at Tempus have seen portions of the manuscript, and have been shown some of the illustrations which will accompany the text, and even though they have been given warning that this book will be a BIG task for them to complete, I am 100% certain that they still haven't got a firm grasp on just what will be coming their way. And, to be fair, how could they? At this point, even those of us working on this project at times still find ourselves overwhelmed by the scope of the thing. Just last evening, in an email to Bruce and myself, Art Braunschweiger, who has been putting in many hours on the editing and proofreading, noted his amazement at the fact that the chapter which he had almost finished checking, which deals with the interior joinery, spanned over 75 pages -- and mind you, this is as a MS Word document with single-spaced 10 point text -- not a document printed in a larger font and double-spaced for hand-marking, or one formatted to approximate the way the pages will appear in print -- nor did this total include the photographs, drawing figures and captions which accompany that chapter!

Without going into specifics, it is fair to say that nothing on this order of detail has been attempted for the Titanic, nor for any other single ship that I'm aware of. None of the articles published in the contemporary trade journals or technical press come anywhere close to describing the ship at the level of detail being presented here. In fact, this book would have been several magnitudes easier to produce if it had been limited to "only" the level of detail presented in the books of Conway's famous "Anatomy of the Ship" series.

Regards,
Scott Andrews
 

David Porter

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Thank you, all, for the information. I guess my question is why Amazon (either UK or US) can't change the word AVAILABLE to NOT PUBLISHED YET - WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRE-ORDER? Either way, given the above, I'm looking forward to the book more than ever. Amazon US put a notice on my WHERE'S MY STUFF ORDER PAGE saying that they needed my permission to extend the order - which I agreed to by selecting the link provided. Had I not checked on my order, they would have canceled it in due time. As it is, they are saying that delivery is now the first week of October - so I very much thank Bruce and Scott for the information regarding a possible Christmas date. It sounds like this is going to be a great book. Regards to All -
 
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>>The bar has now been lifted.<<

Steve, from Bruce and yourself, I would expect no less. From what Scott has said, it looks to me like you two have been working with the varsity squad of Titanic techies to make this happen. I'm looking forward to this one!
 
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Hi guys, thanks for the kind words.

I spoke to the publisher, and it is not possible to have it ready for December. We hope to have it out early after the first of the year. As for what Amazon has been doing, I have no control over this at all. I told the publisher that he needs to add another name to the co-authors, and that Amazon has the nationalities of the co-author's screwed up. Apparently this is handled by the US branch of Tempus, and as it is going now, the cover art may change again depending on a few factors, one of which being of it is needed to print this work in two volumes.

I'm really sorry for this, as it is entirely my fault. I blew a lot of deadlines, and the publisher of course needed a date(s) for his end of it, and I blew those also. So - this book was literally revealed to the public too early. The publisher did state that he is being tolerant of the lateness because he is fully aware that this work will be very important to the Titanic community, and that it will be unmatched in way of technical studies of this ship.

I have been working on this for more then two years, and the work has grown into a tome of information. I, my team, and contributors are going to share with the rest of you, everything we can possibly let loose from our collections, and our accumulative years of work in this field.

The way I look at it, it doesn't make me any more valuable in this subject by sitting on what I have learned. The only way to truly add to the history of this subject is to release the information to the public and hope that it makes it to the next generations of enthusiasts. I hope no-one will be disappointed when it does finally arrive.

Bruce
 
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Thanks Bruce for all the hard work that you, Scott and Steve are putting into this. You are so right about contributing to the history by releasing information and adding the proper context and interpretation behind it. I wish more people looked at it that way. After 94 years of waiting, what's a few more months. As I like to say, don't rush it, just get it right.
 

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Hi Bruce,

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I hope no-one will be disappointed when it does finally arrive.
I very much doubt that any of us will. With all the research that you three of done, I'm sure it will be an excellent book. I look forward to seeing it when it's out and it's on my list of books to purchase.

Best regards,

Jason
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Ditto, Sam and Jason. This is a "work magnificent," and we all know it. Take your time, Bruce, et. al. We want you to put all you have into it because that's what matters--not artificial deadlines. You have NOTHING to apologize for, Bruce. I hope you end up with THREE volumes, lol! Go for it!! Your work is outstanding. I don't care when it comes out--I only want to know how to get it.

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I just want to add my voice to the others and say that I am very much looking forward to read this book(s). I understand how important this book will be to the Titanic community, and if it's time it takes to make it as perfect as possible, I'll be happy to wait a few more months.

Keep up the good work Bruce, Steve, Scott and Daniel!
 
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>>I, my team, and contributors are going to share with the rest of you, everything we can possibly let loose from our collections, and our accumulative years of work in this field.<<

Bruce, let me say that my hat's off to the lot of you. I'm well aware that this is a labour of love and I daresay when your book finally comes out, it may well be one of the most important sources of information on this ship to come down the pike since the Shipbuilder specials of nearly a century ago.

If it takes a little longer to make it what it needs to be, I certainly won't object. Be it one volumn or a dozen, I'll buy it!
 
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I really appreciate the compliments once again.

This project has literally burned me out in some respects. After this is done, I'm cleaning my front room out and making a den out of this mess I have as a work space. There are going to be some surprises in this work. Have you guys ever seen an actual image of one of Olympic's 1st class Albion WC's fitted in place, or one of the Utley's ventilating ports fitted in place photographed from the interior? It's stuff like this that I uncovered to name a few highlights. This is not a book on passengers, as I don't study that area of this subject. There are plenty of people out there that do it better and have an interest in that subject. I wanted to tap what I consider an undiscovered country if you will - the ship herself. This book could have been bigger, but we had to cut some stuff out. For instance - I don't think anyone cares to see the plans and schematics for the Kelvin motorized sounding machines.

Scott, Steve, Daniel and I have made a point to address many of the specs and create an in-depth study of the construction and fittings of this ship, while giving some history while we are at it. It will be a lesson in turn of the 19th century British ship building. In many cases the reader will not only read what, but why. The book will have the heights of bulwarks, sizes of planking, interior design specifics with most of the Durand drawings included, galley fitments, detailed illustrations of all of the watertight bulkheads including their plates, the water systems (did you guys know that the overflow from the pool did not drain right out the side of the ship, but into the No. 5 wing tank, as well as the drains from the firemen's lavatories?), urinals, painting, waterproofing, rigging - basically keel to truck. It will be all kinds of stuff like that, all from original source material. The glossary of shipbuilding and construction terms is over 40 pages alone on 8-1/2 x 11paper at 10 pt font It also helps that the publisher is a collector and dealer in maritime ephemera and photos, so he will add to this also - and has. In fact he provided me with an invaluable reference that I.D.'s the manufacturer of most all of the small sundry cabin fittings. I couldn't find out what company made the toilet paper, but I did find out who supplied the paper holders! (I'm not talking about Stonier's either)

After the Hahn plans (which have become a bit outdated at this point I know) the G/A plans I drew, and all of those articles I have written, this book will be my swan song in a way. I am putting the boxes of plans in the attic, the books on shelves, pulling out the fishing poles, and taking a break for a bit. Then I may get to my 1/144th Titanic model in a year or two. I have boxes of period books that I photo-copied either in full, or partially, that I may try and sell off to someone else.

I'm sure you all will be kept current on updates, and of course the new web page for the book will be ready before the end of the year.

Bruce
 

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