Titanic The Ship Magnificent


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The website for the book “TITANIC - The Ship Magnificent”￾ is now available to view online. For those who have been awaiting this book, this will allow you to preview all of the book’s 37 chapters and sample images.
As part of the TTSM website, there is also a new forum devoted exclusively to questions about the book and the information presented in its pages. For those who want to know if something is in the book, this is the place to ask, and if you have a question on anything related to Titanic’s design, construction, engineering, etc., the new forum is the place to ask.
This will be a technical research forum only, restricted to the subjects in the book - Titanic's planning, construction, engineering, structural and design, plus her interior layout and appointments. It will not be a forum for passenger history, information about the sinking, modeling questions, other ships, etc, and those areas are not the subject matter of the book anyway. Questions in these areas are more appropriate for other forums such as here at ET or at TRMA. The new TTSM forum is not intended to replace the TRMA forum or compete with the ET forum by any means, but rather to provide a ready avenue for questions related to the book itself and the information therein.
The TTSM website can be found at
http://titanic-theshipmagnificent.com/

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Steve Hall
 
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Got it bookmarked, Steve. I've been waiting on this book for a long time and I suspect just about every Titanic techie has been as well. For anyone interested in the details of this ship, this promises to be The Bible on the subject.

All I want to know now is when it'll become available for sale.
 

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Michael,
the publisher has the whole manuscript as of 2 months ago.
The issue maybe whether it's going to be a single book or two volumes.
If it's two volumes, I'd imagine the 30 odd page index will go in. The index would be very handy indeed.
It's been a long 3 year grind. It started only a few weeks after finishing the first book (Olympic Titanic, The Truth Behind The Conspiracy).
Thoughts of a third book have been thrown around the table by Bruce and myself.
I hope people enjoy the site. I've tried to convey the quaility of the actual book by setting a high standard in the website.
 
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Maybe the publisher will make the choice on one or two volumns by flipping a coin. On the matter of the index, I think it would be required either way. As much material as you chaps had to work with, it would be hard to use it as a quick reference otherwise.

Just parsing the website, I see 37 chapters listed which go into an incredible amount of detail in their own right. Anyone reading that should get a useful overview of just what it takes to design and build a ship.
 
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it's a two volume set. Regardless of whether it's one or two, a detailed index is an absolute must! I can't imagine a work of this nature and scale without it.

The TTSM website is terrific, Steve-- congratulations on its launch. There's no way I'd ever be described as a "technical expert," but I am someone who's very interested in the subject area and wants to learn more about it. Because of that, I'm sure I'll visit your site often.

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Thoughts of a third book have been thrown around the table by Bruce and myself.
What can you tell us about it?

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That website is amazing and this book is going right on my wish list. In fact, I "wish" I had it now - having this detail of information in one place would be so helpful for my own fictional account of Thomas Andrews and building Titanic! I'll have to live without it, though; I hope to have my MS out to publishers by Autumn.
 

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Denise, I cannot say what we've planned for the next book yet.
Denise, Julie, Marlenne and Michael, thank you for the kind comments.

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On a different note, I see the Topic Thread I created has been taken off the front thread directory.
I started that because there was already a thread in the subtopic list on this page for the book.
The book will be a significant publication when it's released and I thought it warranted a front page directory topic listing within the Titanic Books directory.
Either way, it's been deleted and moved here.
It would have just been nice if someone had al least told owing I've emailed that URL to many people.
 

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Hello Steve,

The thread was not deleted, it was moved in order to keep the topic organized and tidy. If the members take an interest in your book which I'm sure a lot of them do (myself included), then they will make a point of searching for the information on here.

We the moderators do not notify members if a thread has been moved; that's what the "Last Day" feature is for.
 

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Hi Jason.
This is Bruce and my self’s second Titanic book.
I notice our authors with two or more books make it to the main topic page.
And as I mentioned above, the huge significance of book for researchers and people interested in the technical side of Titanic would be likely better served by its heightened visibility on the board’s principle Titanic Book index folder.
I’m only seeing what other multiple Titanic authors have received.
The actual book site has received over 5,000 page views in a week. That alone tells me the interest people have in this book.
But if it’s decided best where it is, I’ll fall in with what the site moderators decide.

Best,
Steve
 

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Hi Steve,

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I notice our authors with two or more books make it to the main topic page.

Yes, which is determined by the moderators, when there are two or more threads on the same topic. Since there are now three threads, including the one on your first book, I will create a subtopic for them.

From what I've heard about this book through the grapevine, it sounds like it's going to be a goldmine of information and photographs for any Titanic historian or researcher that has an interest in the technical aspects of the ship. I'm very much looking forward to the release of it and will make sure to snap up a copy as soon as it's published. All the best with it and what a terrific site.

Best,

Jason
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The publication rights for all those images must have cost a fortune. We tried to include some images out of the UFTM collection in the History Channel docs, but at $600 a pop, the network balked. And how did Bruce get permission to trace the original H&W plans (like the expansion joint detail he posted in the TRMA forum not too long ago)? I tried that once and was threatened with legal action. Kudos to TRMA (or their publisher) for getting the permissions needed for these illustrations!

I see from the Marconi chapter excerpt that much was lifted from the 1913 Hawkhead handbook. That's a good reference for typical Marconi installations of the period. Couple that with the results of the 2001 exploration (found in the GotA companion book), and you have a good amount of the material known about the apparatus. Since I was planning to build upon the Hawkhead and GotA material for my own book on Titanic's Marconi apparatus, there's no sense in duplicating TRMA's effort. I'm going to trash that idea and move on to something else.

I didn't know that Titanic was called "The Ship Magnificent." I have seen that term used only in brochures dedicated to Olympic. I guess they must have used it for the second ship of the class, as well.

I can't wait for the day when this book comes out and I can add it to my library.

Parks
 

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The Publisher named the book.
It was originally going to be called, Titanic Revealed.
Regarding the photographic material used, that's also up to the publisher.
Tempus publishing is one of the world’s largest maritime publishing houses. I would imagine they know what they can and cannot do.
But I’m sure of one thing; this book will hit the shelves like and avalanche. It will find its way in most of the world libraries because of its sheer reference valve.
It’s a book the Titanic readers of the world have been waiting for.
And it took Bruce’s hard work, drive, determination and perseverance to pull together some of the worlds best researchers and holders of period collections to get it to the starting line.
It was this sharing and considerate attitude over the years that warmed many not well known private collectors into contributing to a book like this.
Any Titanic researcher was more than welcome to contribute to the book.
 
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Whether the Titanic could be called "The Ship Magnficent" or not I suppose would be a matter of some debate. Larger ships were already in the works and one was fitting out at the time Titanic made her ill fated voyage. The lines and the builders were all trying to make them a little bit better then what came before. They had to if they wanted to stay in business.

If the excerpts are any indication, then what the authors here have done was pen a technical description of this ship in minute detail never before attempted even by way of the Shipbuilder Specials. 90+ years after the fact, even finding much less editing and redacting the source material to make this happen is an incredible achievement.
 
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Michael,

Titanic, 1912, and bigger & better ships aside -- Olympic was given the nickname "The Ship Magnificent" in the 1920's. This was at a time when these bigger & better ships actually ploughed the oceans (and not just building). Clearly, Olympic was deserving of the title despite her competition. She was a ship that was loved throughout her life and Mark Chrinside has many excellent quotes to verify this.

Even during the late 1920's, by which time Olympic was an ageing ship, and there were newer and modern ships to chose from, many travelers still loved Olympic’s accommodations and commented that her staterooms (I think this was in reference to the period suites) were the best afloat.

One quote which I found particularly poignant was in reference to the proposed scrapping of the Majestic (in Mark Chirnside’s Majestic book - top right of pg.81):

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..."after the scrapping of the Olympic, recognised as one of the finest steamships afloat, there were no surprises left".
I don’t think Titanic or Olympic should be considered the best ships ever built. Majestic was a beautiful and certainly the most popular ship during her prime, but she had her problems. If Olympic’s successful life and popularity are any indication, then Olympic and indeed Titanic are both deserving of the hype they receive.

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Daniel.
 
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Daniel--a good report about Olympic.

How come my late grandfather was at sea for the best part of nearly fifty years, and was told the Olympic's nickname was always known as the 'Old Reliable'.

Sorry to intrude but just curious as to why you've quoted 'The Ship Magnificent,' as most local historians down this part of Hampshire, refer to her as the Old Reliable.

A.W.
 

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I'm posting this reply written by Bruce who is currently away on vacation, but has asked me to post it on his behalf.

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I'll address some of these issues posted above. I will be out of town for a few days and will not be able to respond if there are any further concerns requiring my comment.

One of the gratifying things about this project is the number of people who have come forward and offered the use of information and photographs. Given the contacts I have made in the past 10 or so years through my contributions to this subject, and the friendships I have made, I anticipated a great deal of help, but the cooperation I received from some high-end enthusiasts and collectors who share my philosophy of sharing information exceeded all my expectations. Most of the H&W images in the book are from period sources such as Engineering, etc. that have long since lapsed into open copyright. Others were donated for use by people that had obtained the images from H&W (or through other sources) decades ago. To a great extent this book is an accumulation of the information printed in period sources ranging from periodicals to BOT survey reports. Any holes that were present (and there were a lot), were researched through period shipbuilding practice typical of H&W. There are instances where facts are just not known, and we have made footnotes or indicated as such in the text. The plans and illustrations are either taken from open copyright sources, or were redrawn or recreated in full by me or a co-author.

As for the title which includes the quip "The Ship Magnificent", this is a bit of literary license on my part. With reference to Olympic, “The Ship Magnificent” was an advertising phrase. Those who remember her nickname being “Old Reliable” are entirely correct, and she was well known by this during most of her career. I am aware that the “Ship Magnificent” phrase was never used with reference to Titanic, and for this reason, we discussed this at length as to whether it would be appropriate. We ended up deciding that it would be OK; the publisher liked it, and I explain the reason for the title right up front in the book’s introduction, part of which has been excerpted for the home page of the TTSM website:

. . . Given the fact that these two ships were near identical twins, Olympic’s catch phrase has been used as the title for this book."

Titanic was undeniably, in many ways, a magnificent ship, although she would never be seen by most of the world, and I wanted to convey that in the title.


Parks,

As for the Marconi information and the Hawkhead book and it's subsequent reprints - yes, a good deal was taken from that source as well as other period sources, and we state this up front in the chapter. But there is nothing in the Marconi text that should hold you back from anything you would publish. Nothing is mentioned of the actions of the operators that night, or any explanations of how they may have manipulated the equipment. The information is technical yes - but it is general in that I address the different instruments used and so on. There was nothing I needed to glean from the GoTA sources. All the GoTA information did for me was verify what I already had surmised - so please don't let me stop you from your book — I’ve been waiting for it. With your knowledge on the subject, you can add a whole new dimension in the way you present it.

I think that covers it. I'll be in a fishing boat for the next few days. I’m having Steve Hall post this because I’m having some internet issues.

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Any Titanic researcher was more than welcome to contribute to the book.

If they knew about it. I just learned about this book a month or so ago. No one ever approached me to either tell me about the project or ask about any of my research. Or maybe people felt that I had already contributed enough with my online presentations. I've already seen some of my online material used in someone else's book, but you wouldn't know it because I wasn't credited.

I checked with Bill Sauder and Ken Marschall...neither knew about the book. So, in a sense, I guess what you say is true. Anyone was welcome to contribute. The trick was in knowing that they could.

But, I don't mean to sound overly defensive. I was sincere in my congratulations to the TRMA team for pulling off such an effort. I speak from experience...my own book on the Marconi apparatus has been delayed in part because neither I nor my publisher could afford the fees charged by certain copyright holders of some key material and photographs that I wanted to include in the book. I was aware of the negotiations between LWDG and UTFM (among others) to broadcast certain images that we advisors wanted to include in the documentary. If your publisher has worked all that out for you, then I sincerely applaud their accomplishment.

I also meant it when I stated that I was keen on including TTSM in my library.

If you don't believe me, then why else would I scrap years of my own research and preparation for a book on Titanic's Marconi apparatus upon hearing of the imminent publication of TTSM? I can think of no better way to demonstrate my sincerity in this.

Parks
 

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