Titanic was sunk by incompetence of its crew


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There was a documentation yesterday in our TV about our french aircraft carrier and how the crew operate. They showed how they train for hull damage and it was interesting because the captain said the protocoll is completly to think rational, overlook the situation and fight the water pouring in. Evrything else doesnt matter in that event.

He brought Titanic up and said, that a well trained crew would have saved the ship and that a military crew from a nation like France, UK, Germany, USA or Russia would have brought the ship back home in one piece.

He explained teh situation and said Titanic had 5 compartments damaged. It was no gigantic damage but rather small individual puntures in all those 5 compartments. Titanic could still float with 4 damaged compartments.

The crew on Titanic reacted like headless chicken and did not even try to stop flodding. They did not need to halt flodding in all compartments. All what was needed was to stop flodding in the 5th compartment. According to witnesses the damage there was pretty small.

He said Titanic was not sunk by an iceberg but by her incompetent crew.
 

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So how did he suggest that they stop the flooding?
They use blankets in our navy, stuff evrything in you have. The first minutes are crucial. Its an ocean liner so you have plenty of material you can use. Clothes, table blankets, blankets, pillows, matress. There was no gigantic gap. It was rather small. But they did nothing. They just ran away and let it happen.
 

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What you a referring to are collision mats. They must be placed on the outer surface of the hull. With the damage below the waterline, it being night, and the damage spread over such a large area this idea long ago was dismissed. Also, Titanic had no collision mats. Forensic experts have examined the Titanic disaster for over 100 years and nobody has ever found a plausible way to stop or slow the flooding sufficiently to prevent Titanic sinking.
 
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What you a referring to are collision mats. They must be placed on the outer surface of the hull. With the damage below the waterline, it being night, and the damage spread over such a large area this idea long ago was dismissed. Also, Titanic had no collision mats. Forensic experts have examined the Titanic disaster for over 100 years and nobody has ever found a plausible way to stop or slow the flooding sufficiently to prevent Titanic sinking.
Im not talking about collission mats. Im talking about stuff inside the ship. The gap in Nr5 compartment was small, maybe two feet long. You dont need to waste time on compartments 1 to 4, you only need to seal compartment 5.

He said they would stuff evrything they have into that gap, and the water flow would end quickly.

When you see how ridicolous the crew acted after the impact, the enormous amount of incompetence and chaos. They acted like headless chicken. Sending boats away half empty, open doors in the hull, which increased flooding.
 

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He may know French aircraft carriers but that doesn’t mean he knows anything about a 1912 vintage English passenger liner.
 
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He explained teh situation and said Titanic had 5 compartments damaged. It was no gigantic damage but rather small individual puntures in all those 5 compartments. Titanic could still float with 4 damaged compartments.

He said Titanic was not sunk by an iceberg but by her incompetent crew.
Im not talking about collission mats. Im talking about stuff inside the ship. The gap in Nr5 compartment was small, maybe two feet long. You dont need to waste time on compartments 1 to 4, you only need to seal compartment 5.

He said they would stuff evrything they have into that gap, and the water flow would end quickly.
So in short we have someone who does not know much about Titanic making statements as the crew was incompetent.

The "gap" in No. 5 compartment was not a small one. The damage in BR. No. 5 (NOT compartment No. 5) seems to have been running over two feet long into the forward bunker. However BR No. 5 was the 6th compartment. (BR No. 4 might have also got a puncture by the iceberg). So that statement is wrong. Compartment No. 5 was BR No. 6.
 
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So in short we have someone who does not know much about Titanic making statements as the crew was incompetent.

The "gap" in No. 5 compartment was not a small one. The damage in BR. No. 5 (NOT compartment No. 5) seems to have been running over two feet long into the forward bunker. However BR No. 5 was the 6th compartment. (BR No. 4 might have also got a puncture by the iceberg). So that statement is wrong. Compartment No. 5 was BR No. 6.
But the thing is, Titanics crew appears to have not known much about Titanic either.

I dont think a military crew would have acted as irrational as the merchant crew on Titanic. I know you cant compare that level of training since merchant crews never have that experience but its crazy how badly trained Titanics crew was. Some say Smith was even unaware that Titanics promenade deck was not identical to Olympic.
 

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I love how some new person suddenly has all the answers to the Titanic disaster that everybody has missed in over 100 years. It usually happens when somebody has a new tv “special” to promote. We’ve had brittle steel, defective rivets, coal fires, mirages, and the list keeps growing.
 
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What level of competence would you rate to be on a sinking liner as high ranking officer, to know that the ship is going down, has not enough life boats for even half the people on board and lower a life boat made for roughly 40 people with 12 on board?
Honest answer please.

I dont think anyone has missed anything. Problem with Titanic is, its very mystified and gloryfied in the anglo saxon world, while outside of it, its largly seen as plunder and incompetence at very high level.
 
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But the thing is, Titanics crew appears to have not known much about Titanic either.
In which way exactly?

I dont think a military crew would have acted as irrational as the merchant crew on Titanic. I know you cant compare that level of training since merchant crews never have that experience but its crazy how badly trained Titanics crew was.
Again in which way? What do you mean exactly?
 
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What level of competence would you rate to be on a sinking liner as high ranking officer, to know that the ship is going down, has not enough life boats for even half the people on board and lower a life boat made for roughly 40 people with 12 on board?
Aside that none all knew that the ship was going to sink (3rd Officer Pitman expected to be back on board in a few hours) emergency boat No. 1 left only with 12 People as there were no one close by at the time it was loaded and lowered. There were about 30 people around when No. 1 was loaded nearly all crew. (The boat was stopped at A Deck to have a look if there were other passengers to board.) The davit was needed for collapsible C.
 
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Aside that none all knew that the ship was going to sink (3rd Officer Pitman expected to be back on board in a few hours) emergency boat No. 1 left only with 12 People as there were no one close by at the time it was loaded and lowered. There were about 30 people around when No. 1 was loaded nearly all crew. (The boat was stopped at A Deck to have a look if there were other passengers to board.) The davit was needed for collapsible C.
Excuses. When you cant find 30 passengers on a ship with 2200 people in board and order them on lifeboat, you should not even be allowed to steer the icecream Car, let alone a ship
 

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In which way exactly?



Again in which way? What do you mean exactly?
Smith send people down on promenade Deck to board lifeboats from there. He basicly thought he is still on Olympic and forgot that the forward promenade on Titanic had glass windows.

Lifeboats were send away half empty, the ship sailed without binoculars because a locked shelf.

That doesnt look competent for me
 
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Excuses. When you cant find 30 passengers on a ship with 2200 people in board and order them on lifeboat, you should not even be allowed to steer the icecream Car, let alone a ship
Most of the passengers had been loaded into boats Nos. 7, 5 & 3. When No. 1 was going to be loaded most of the passengers have moved aft or went to the port side.
Now are you suggesting the crew should waste valuable time by running behind these passengers and try to convince them to take a place in boat No. 1? There were still other boats aboard to be loaded and lowered.
 
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Smith send people down on promenade Deck to board lifeboats from there. He basicly thought he is still on Olympic and forgot that the forward promenade on Titanic had glass windows.
It was only one boat (No. 4) where this took place and 2nd Officer Lightoller was also involved as he had the idea to load No. 4 from A Deck.

Lifeboats were send away half empty, the ship sailed without binoculars because a locked shelf.
The officers did had binoculars they was no locked shelf which is still a popular but false myth. In a dark night they were of no help. There were no binoculars for the lookouts.
 
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Most of the passengers had been loaded into boats Nos. 7, 5 & 3. When No. 1 was going to be loaded most of the passengers have moved aft or went to the port side.
Now are you suggesting the crew should waste valuable time by running behind these passengers and try to convince them to take a place in boat No. 1? There were still other boats aboard to be loaded and lowered.
Thats not the standard procedure in an emergency. In no way would a boat be lowered with just 25% of its capacity.
 

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It was only one boat (No. 4) where this took place and 2nd Officer Lightoller was also involved as he had the idea to load No. 4 from A Deck.



The officers did had binoculars they was no locked shelf which is still a popular but false myth. In a dark night they were of no help. There were no binoculars for the lookouts.
So lightoller did not know which ship he sailed on as well?
 
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