Titanic's stern did not implode.

[Evelyne Harville]

Oh, and the force at which the bow hit is visible in the debris field map. That's why it's so dark around her. That's from both the lower sediment being uncovered from the the current that followed her down (what James Cameron called a hypoburst, but it's basically just the inertia of the current and suction of the ship and probably not as violent as he argued). The sheer size of that dark field around her shows how hard she hit. But you'll notice that the stern doesn't have that big dark field around her. It's only a little darker. That suggests that she didn't hit as hard as the bow did because she twirled her way down instead of shooting down or "leafing" as is more likely (floating forward, then back, then forward, which is what the models of the bow did when they tested it in a tank).

 

[Mike Bull2019]

All good food for thought, but I think the depth of the rudder and the position of the wing props makes any kind of appreciable sideways/skidding arrival on the bottom unlikely.

 

[Cam Houseman]

All good food for thought, but I think the depth of the rudder and the position of the wing props makes any kind of appreciable sideways/skidding arrival on the bottom unlikely.

I agree. If so, the starboard propeller would be way off to the west of the Stern, and the portside prop would be grounded up against the hull. As it is, both are next to the Stern still, ripped up from their original position. I also think that if the Stern skidded, the Rudder would bear damage, or be in the Hard a'Port position.

The sheer size of that dark field around her shows how hard she hit. But you'll notice that the stern doesn't have that big dark field around her. It's only a little darker. That suggests that she didn't hit as hard as the bow did because she twirled her way down instead of shooting down or "leafing" as is more likely (floating forward, then back, then forward, which is what the models of the bow did when they tested it in a tank).

I'm sorry! But I have to disagree with this one, based on how smashed parts of the Stern are, and how multiple decks "pancaked" on top of each other, even before the deterioration recently. That darkspot could be downblast, and the downblast wasn't as strong since the Stern spiraled.

 

[Arun Vajpey]

I have to disagree with this one, based on how smashed parts of the Stern are, and how multiple decks "pancaked" on top of each other, even before the deterioration recently. That darkspot could be downblast, and the downblast wasn't as strong since the Stern spiraled

I agree, except that I am not sure that the downblast was not strong enough. You could be right, but I'd like more views particularly on the downblast, which is not often discussed.

 

[Incony]

this is now off topic, since at ocean floor depth, its no longer a question of implosion.. is it? i think the discussion of impact on the ocean floor is a topic of its own..

 

[Cam Houseman]

Good point!

 

[madClockmaker]

People keep mentioning survivors hearing booms after the ship sank, can anyone cite that?

 

[Jim Currie]

People keep mentioning survivors hearing booms after the ship sank, can anyone cite that?

It was probably the main strength members breaking. There was nothing left to 'Boom' after the ship sank.

 

[madClockmaker]

It was probably the main strength members breaking. There was nothing left to 'Boom' after the ship sank.

Okay, but can anyone cite survivors actually saying they heard a boom after it sank? All I could find in the accounts are survivors hearing booms before it sank, otherwise all I can find is internet hearsay

 

[Samuel Halpern]

Okay, but can anyone cite survivors actually saying they heard a boom after it sank? All I could find in the accounts are survivors hearing booms before it sank, otherwise all I can find is internet hearsay

Internet hearsay is very important. How else do conspiracy theories and fallacious accounts start?

 

[Cam Houseman]

Internet hearsay is very important. How else do conspiracy theories and fallacious accounts start?

Senator FLETCHER.
After the bow of the Titanic went down, you heard these explosions?

Mr. PITMAN.
No; I did not hear them until the ship had disappeared altogether.

Senator FLETCHER.
After the bow of the Titanic went down, she assumed an almost upright position?

Mr. PITMAN.
Yes, sir.

Senator FLETCHER.
How long after getting into that position was it before she disappeared entirely?

Mr. PITMAN.
I think it must have been a question of seconds.

Senator FLETCHER.
And then came the explosions?

Mr. PITMAN.
Then came the explosions.

 

[Jim Currie]

Senator FLETCHER.
After the bow of the Titanic went down, you heard these explosions?

Mr. PITMAN.
No; I did not hear them until the ship had disappeared altogether.

Senator FLETCHER.
After the bow of the Titanic went down, she assumed an almost upright position?

Mr. PITMAN.
Yes, sir.

Senator FLETCHER.
How long after getting into that position was it before she disappeared entirely?

Mr. PITMAN.
I think it must have been a question of seconds.

Senator FLETCHER.
And then came the explosions?

Mr. PITMAN.
Then came the explosions.

Well spotted, Cam.

 

[Steven Christian]

Internet hearsay is very important. How else do conspiracy theories and fallacious accounts start?

"If it's on the internet it must be true".
What you wrote is so true. The only thing I would add is conspiracy theories were around long before the internet. I was going to post a link to the worlds oldest one's but decided to decline since they might mess with someone's religion. Cheers.

 

[Cam Houseman]

Well spotted, Cam.

Thanks Jim!

"If it's on the internet it must be true".
What you wrote is so true. The only thing I would add is conspiracy theories were around long before the internet. I was going to post a link to the worlds oldest one's but decided to decline since they might mess with someone's religion. Cheers.

Right, gotta love Fake news, conspiracies, the whole mess, lol. I'm sure the concept was around way before the Internet, like how the Moon Landing was "Faked", etc.

 

[Steven Christian]

Thanks Jim!


Right, gotta love Fake news, conspiracies, the whole mess, lol. I'm sure the concept was around way before the Internet, like how the Moon Landing was "Faked", etc.

Yes conspiracy theories go back to or even before biblical times. I would guess that 90% of them are mostly made up for various reasons. Titanic has had it's fair share of them. But on the other side of the coin it's become a common tactic to label something a conspiracy theory if your trying to hide something. Sometimes though rarely they turn out to be right. Cheers.