Travellers to Cairo 1911-1912

John and Madeline Astor invited Margaret Tobin Brown, and her daughter Helen to go to Egypt in late 1911 and I believe they were in Cairo in 1912 just days before boarding Titanic. Does anyone know who else was travelling with this Group in Cairo?
Thanks in advance.
 
I got curious as I liked your question having gone to Cairo myself. I liked it,the pyramids and all. But I like Luxor even better. Sorry I digress. I couldn't find anything other than according to this article they went to Egypt on his new yacht the "Noma". I kind of doubt it but maybe a passenger manifest exists somewhere. Probably have better luck scouring the society gossip pages of those days. Cheers.
P.S. At first I doubted the yacht story but after looking at her I could see that happening.
 
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I got curious as I liked your question having gone to Cairo myself. I liked it,the pyramids and all. But I like Luxor even better. Sorry I digress. I couldn't find anything other than according to this article they went to Egypt on his new yacht the "Noma". I kind of doubt it but maybe a passenger manifest exists somewhere. Probably have better luck scouring the society gossip pages of those days. Cheers.
P.S. At first I doubted the yacht story but after looking at her I could see that happening.
Thank You Steven!
 
Does anyone know who else was travelling with this Group in Cairo?
Rosalie Bidois (1865-1938), who was the personal maid of Mrs. Astor, Caroline Louise Endres (1872-1964), who was Mrs. Astor's personal nurse, and Victor Robins (1867-1912), who was Personal manservant of Colonel Astor IV, were all traveling with their employers too. William Dobbyn, colonel Astor his personal secretary, most likely remained in the United States, but he arranged the booking of his employers (based on an accommodation plan he booked C-76, and while C-78 is indicated it was occupied by the Minahan family it is likely they were in C-74 too).
 
Rosalie Bidois (1865-1938), who was the personal maid of Mrs. Astor, Caroline Louise Endres (1872-1964), who was Mrs. Astor's personal nurse, and Victor Robins (1867-1912), who was Personal manservant of Colonel Astor IV, were all traveling with their employers too. William Dobbyn, colonel Astor his personal secretary, most likely remained in the United States, but he arranged the booking of his employers (based on an accommodation plan he booked C-76, and while C-78 is indicated it was occupied by the Minahan family it is likely they were in C-74 too).
Thank You so much Thomas!
 
Rosalie Bidois (1865-1938), who was the personal maid of Mrs. Astor, Caroline Louise Endres (1872-1964), who was Mrs. Astor's personal nurse, and Victor Robins (1867-1912), who was Personal manservant of Colonel Astor IV, were all traveling with their employers too. William Dobbyn, colonel Astor his personal secretary, most likely remained in the United States, but he arranged the booking of his employers (based on an accommodation plan he booked C-76, and while C-78 is indicated it was occupied by the Minahan family it is likely they were in C-74 too).
I aquired this image a few weeks ago, taken in Cairo.
I have already confirmed with Helen Benzinger, that the lady on the camel on the left side is her Grandmother, Helen Brown, Margaret Tobin Brown's daughter. I believe the gentleman on camel next to her is JJ Astor.
I'm left to wonder, who is the woman on the camel to the right, and who is the gentleman riding the burro with the cap and whiskers?
If anyone has any ideas, I would be very grateful.
William
 

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I aquired this image a few weeks ago, taken in Cairo.
I have already confirmed with Helen Benzinger, that the lady on the camel on the left side is her Grandmother, Helen Brown, Margaret Tobin Brown's daughter. I believe the gentleman on camel next to her is JJ Astor.
I'm left to wonder, who is the woman on the camel to the right, and who is the gentleman riding the burro with the cap and whiskers?
If anyone has any ideas, I would be very grateful.
William
That's a cool pic. I love those old travel photo's from days gone bye. I haven't a clue who the gentleman in the pic is. 2 things stand out to me from that pic that I'm familar with. 1. They had camels for rent too and 2. there were photographers near by ready to take your pic..for a fee of course. One of my favorite pics from my travels around the world is one that I took of the Sphinx. Probably one of the most photographed ruins in the world. Never thought of it before until you posted that but I guess I can say that I was in the exact same spot as the Astor's were. Although about 90 years apart or so. Cheers.
 
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That's a cool pic. I love those old travel photo's from days gone bye. I haven't a clue who the gentleman in the pic is. 2 things stand out to me from that pic that I'm familar with. 1. They had camels for rent too and 2. there were photographers near by ready to take your pic..for a fee of course. One of my favorite pics from my travels around the world is one that I took of the Sphinx. Probably one of the most photographed ruins in the world. Never thought of it before until you posted that but I guess I can say that I was in the exact same spot as the Astor's were. Although about 90 years apart or so. Cheers.
I can't help wondering if this is the last photo or at least one of the last, of JJ Astor before his untimely death in the sinking?
I'm wondering if the gent and the lady could be Doctor and Mrs. Minihan who were travelling with the Astor's and Brown's?
Perhaps someone will know.
 
I can't help wondering if this is the last photo or at least one of the last, of JJ Astor before his untimely death in the sinking?
I'm wondering if the gent and the lady could be Doctor and Mrs. Minihan who were travelling with the Astor's and Brown's?
Perhaps someone will know.
I couldn't say. I don't know who that man is. Looks well off by the way he's dressed. I also don't know what is the last pic of JJ Astor. Sorry I can't help there. Maybe Thomas knows. Just guessing I think it might be a newspaper photo. They had celebrity photographers in those days too. Cheers.
 
William. Theres a good list of newspaper articles in his bio below. If I was to start a hunt I would start with those with dates close to departure. Also he embarked at Cherbourg. Maybe something from that area's papers. Later if I can I will poke around. Anyway good score on that pic. Cheers.
 
I got curious as I liked your question having gone to Cairo myself. I liked it,the pyramids and all. But I like Luxor even better. Sorry I digress. I couldn't find anything other than according to this article they went to Egypt on his new yacht the "Noma". I kind of doubt it but maybe a passenger manifest exists somewhere. Probably have better luck scouring the society gossip pages of those days. Cheers.
P.S. At first I doubted the yacht story but after looking at her I could see that happening.
William this post is probably wrong. The yacht part didn't sit well with me. According to another article I found JJ Astor and his wife boarded the RMS Franconia in France and sailed to Alexandria Egypt where a tour had been arranged for them to sail up the Nile to Cairo and other destinations possibly. I checked out the Franconia and she was working the winter mediterranian cruise service. So that makes more sense. There are other articles out there listed on their return trip to Cherbourg but I couldn't access them without joining this or that. So maybe there is a late photo of him/them somewhere. Good luck on your search if your still pursuing it. Cheers.
 
William. Theres a good list of newspaper articles in his bio below. If I was to start a hunt I would start with those with dates close to departure. Also he embarked at Cherbourg. Maybe something from that area's papers. Later if I can I will poke around. Anyway good score on that pic. Cheers.
Many Thanks!!!!!
 
Many Thanks!!!!!
Your most welcome. This thread brought back some good memories of a good trip. The Astors were able to do trips like these. I said I would have liked to see the place in 1912. But I doubt back then average everyday people would have been able too. Also in 1911/12 many of the big discoveries in Egypt hadn't been made yet. Still I bet they had a good time. Cheers
 
Your most welcome. This thread brought back some good memories of a good trip. The Astors were able to do trips like these. I said I would have liked to see the place in 1912. But I doubt back then average everyday people would have been able too. Also in 1911/12 many of the big discoveries in Egypt hadn't been made yet. Still I bet they had a good time. Cheers
Steven, I took your advice and scoured some old newspapers.
I may have solved the riddle of the two unknown people.
I 'm attaching the newspaper artice, the original photo, and two new images of the unknown travellers.
I blieve that the man on the burro is John Wanamaker, of Wanamaker's dept store in Philadelphia. He also served as US Postmaster General from 1889-1893 under President Benjamin Harrison. He was travelling in the party with the Astors to Egypt and would have been age 74, which looks right for the man on the burro. The attached image of Wanamaker is 15-20 years earlier.
The lady on the camel to the far right is, Wanamaker's wife, Mary Brown "Minnie" Wanamaker.
Notice the hat that she is wearing in her portrait, and compare it to the lady on the camel.
See if you folks agree.
 

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Steven, I took your advice and scoured some old newspapers.
I may have solved the riddle of the two unknown people.
I 'm attaching the newspaper artice, the original photo, and two new images of the unknown travellers.
I blieve that the man on the burro is John Wanamaker, of Wanamaker's dept stor in Philadelphia. He also served as US Postmaster General from 1889-1893 under President Benjamin Harrison. He was travelling in the party with the Astors to Egypt and would have been age 74, which looks right for the man on the burro. The attached image of Wanamaker is 15-20 years earlier.
The lady on the camel to the far right is, Wanamaker's wife, Mary Brown "Minnie" Wanamaker.
Notice the hat that she is wearing in her portrait, and compare it to the lady on the camel.
See if you folks agree.
I think you solved it. I blew the Egypt pic and sharpened it up the best I could and compared it to his portrait pic. Definantley looks like the same man to me. Same facial features and all. Plus they were all part of the same crowd. Traveled in the same level of society. So I can see them being on the Egypt trip. From some of the articles I read they made it sound like the Astors cut their trip short because Madeline wanted to make sure the baby was born in America. I mention that because the Wanamakers wern't on the Titanic. They probably stuck with their original plan. One of the Straus's grand daughters married into the Wanamaker clan. All part of the same circle of upper society. Cheers.
 
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