Unknown objects on Bridge


Shane Worthy

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Hello,
When pouring over my Titanic documents for the 1000th time, I noticed some unfamiliar objects on the bridge.
These are a strange white circle by the forward wheel, and two black switches possible directly in front of the wheel, under the middle window.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Shane N. Worthy
 
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Hi Shane!

Forgive me if I misunderstood, but the white round object might be part of the windows. In 1911, Thomas Andrews recorded some comments of Captain Smith's. Smith strongly recommended that 'protection' windows with round bull's eye lights be installed on the bridge, as with the Adriatic which I understand had a similar arrangement.

Best regards,

Mark.
 

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Mark,
the dark circles Shane's referring to are the two whistle controller mechanisms on the forward inside bridge wall. The white circle is indeed the bull's eye portion of the protection window sliders
 

Shane Worthy

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Mark,
It may very well have been the hole in the window covers, which are round.
Try the following link to see the picture I refer to. The white circle is at the right side base of the wheel, above the steering stand. If the link does not work, got to www.Titanic-online.com and go to the Bridge at THE SHIP section.
http://www.titanic-online.com/index.php4?page=169
I also found out that the switches were whistle controllers!
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Shane Worthy

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Dan,
I think it's to low to be the bull's eye portion. This looks like it's between the floor and wall.
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Hi Dan!

Yes, the white circle 'bull's eye'. I agree.

Hi Shane!

I see the picture. However, I don't agree that the white circles are too low to be the 'bull's eye' portion of the protection windows -- after all, they were there for protection when needed. You wouldn't want to have them up all the time.

Best wishes,

Mark.
 

Shane Worthy

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Not the one behind the binnacle.
The one right directly under the wheel.
That is the one we are looking at, right?
If it was the bull's eye, wouldn't it be up around the center of the wheel? It looks like a white dot sitting on the floor...
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Shane Worthy

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Also,
Not white circles with an "s". Just the lone white dot at the direct bottom of the wheel.
I completely see and understand the other bull's eyes.
 
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Hi Shane!

Yes, I appreciate the other bull's eyes. I misunderstood the second part.

But surely the latter is just an illusion? Just part of the stand in the light, circular but not seperate.

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Hi Shane!

I mean that I misunderstood that it was something seperate. It's the time of day, I'm not with it at 8 o'clock in the evening anymore. Later is a better time!

I don't think it's a blotch as such, just part of the stand. But it's really not something I can look at, other than the bull's eye lights.

Best wishes,

Mark.
 

Shane Worthy

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8 o'clock?
Wow, it's late in England.
It's only 1:01 here in Arizona, USA. Good afternoon research!
Anyway, whenever your up to it and awake, just email me privately and we can discuss this matter further.
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Shane N. Worthy
p.s. Your Britannic bridge article was quite a nice read! Very interesting stuff. I my self have never really delved into the Britannic, since I hear it's so much different than the Olympic and Titanic.
 
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What you are seeing is the brass hood of the binnacle which has been laid next to the binnacle at the deck level. Something in the area is causing a reflection off of the viewing cover.

Bruce
 

Shane Worthy

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Awesome Bruce!
Now that you say it, I see it. I don't know why I never noticed that the top of the binnacle is completely missing!
Thanks!
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Are some of the telegraphs marked wrong in the picture? Isn't the 2nd one from the starboard side the emergency telegraphs, the docking and steering telegraphs the one just to the port side of the wheel, and the telegraphs on the far port side the second pair of main engine telegraphs?
 

Shane Worthy

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Samuel,
There was 5 telegraphs on Titanic's bridge.
The order from port to starboard was as follows:
1-Engine Telegraph
2-Docking Telegraph
3-Emergency Engine Telegraph
Binnacle
4-Steering Telegraph
5-Engine Telegraph
So, yes, it is correct, although one telegraph didn't make it into the picture.
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Shane,

That is not correct. The emergency telegraph is on the starboard side of the wheel. This was common place for them according to Naval tradition. The two inboard on the port side of the wheel are those for relaying commands to the docking bridge.

I forgot which of those two port telegraphs were the engine command and which was the steering, but a closer look at the image would show this. I believe, if memory serves, the placement matches the docking bridge in that the steering is to the left or port of the engine order telegraph for the docking bridge. so the proper arrangement from port to STB is:

main engine
steering/docking to docking bridge
engine relay to/from docking bridge
wheel
emergency
main engine

The main engine telegraphs outboard were linked to work in unison, but the majority of the commands would have been issued from the STB telegraph where the watch officer took his post most of the time. this is also why the emergency telegraph is located on the STB side, and from what I hear, was the norm for decades.

The object on the forward screen right above the binnacle with the three windows in it, is a fancy wooden course indicator. I have finally seen a few of these in real life, and they are not electric in way of illumination from what I can tell. There were three wooden cylinders with flattened sides (yes it is hard to explain) of a sort - like an octagon. There were numbers printed on each flattened plane. they were placed within the base unit, and the course numbers were arranged by placing the inserts in a manner to show the correct course to steer by through the small windows. There are little knobs on the top of these geometric cylinders for handling them.

Because the navigating bridge was only used in fine weather and in pilotage waters, it would not have been the same as the illuminated course board in the wheel house. In fact while at sea the navigating bridge wheel was disengaged altogether from the telemotor.

I originally had this thing pinned as the turbine indicator, but have since discovered it wasn't after seeing these things I described above at an auction.

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Shane,

I discussed the placement of the telegraphs with Bill Sauder (who was involved in the restoration of each of the recovered telegraphs) a few years ago and our conclusions were the same as you described. However, if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.

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Hi Shane!

It was really just a bad day...very early evening but a rare chance to have some spare time! Thanks for your comments on the Britannic comments -- it does seem remarkable that it was only in summer 2004 that anyone seems to have noticed the discrepency with the number.

Hi Bruce, Parks!

I'll have to check Captain Howarth's testimony sometime. I'm sure he described in detail the bridge telegraph arrangement in 1925. Whether he described it in enough detail is another matter.

Best wishes,

Mark.
 

Shane Worthy

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Parks,
To the best of my knowledge and research, this is the arrangement that I have come up with...but like you said, if we're wrong, I guess we'll be wrong together!
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Shane N. Worthy
 

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