Watertight door panel


James Hill

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what did the wtd panel look like i would think their are no pictures of it but did it look anything like the following films
Titanic (1953)
Titanic (97)
A Night To Remember
 
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Daniel Odysseus

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On the Queen Mary (though it was much later than Titanic) the watertight door panel looked like the Titanic '97 one. I'd think that they wouldn't have changed the panel style drastically from 1912-1930
 

Adam McGuirk

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Didn't know that, Parks. Learn something new here everyday. Glad to hear from you again, you being such a valuable piece of ET.
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By an electrical switch mounted on the forward bridge wall, between the emergency telegraph and wheel. A door release switch and an indicator panel are two separate items.

<font color="#000066">Senator SMITH. I want my associates to know where this lever is, if a lever is used, or where the electric power is that locks these watertight compartments? Where is that operated from; what deck; what part of the boat?
Mr. PITMAN. The water-tight doors are operated from the bridge by a lever close to the wheel.
Senator SMITH. By whom?
Mr. PITMAN. By a lever close to the wheel.
Senator SMITH. I understand, but by whom?
Mr. PITMAN. Operated by the officer of the watch.
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Senator BURTON. Do you know whether the water-tight doors were closed or not?
Mr. OLLIVER. The first officer closed the water-tight doors, sir.
Senator BURTON. When?
Mr. OLLIVER. On the bridge, just after she struck; and reported to the captain that they were closed. I heard that myself.
Senator BURTON. How did you know they were closed?
Mr. OLLIVER. Because Mr. Murdoch reported, and as I entered the bridge I saw him about the lever.
Senator BURTON. Did he have any way of telling whether they were closed or not?
Mr. OLLIVER. There is a lever on the bridge to close the water-tight doors, and he turned the lever over and closed them.
Senator BURTON. Was there an instrument there to show the doors as they closed? Did you ever see one of those instruments?
Mr. OLLIVER. No; I never saw one.
Senator BURTON. With little lights that burn up as each door closes, and then go out?
Mr. OLLIVER. No, sir.
Senator BURTON. There was no instrument like that on the Titanic?
Mr. OLLIVER. I did not see that.
Senator BURTON. Would you have seen it if it had been there?
Mr. OLLIVER. No doubt I would, sir.

Activation of the switch causes the friction clutch at each door to release the door. Gravity pulls the door down, with oil cataracts providing resistance to slow the rate of descent. There was no sensor to detect the door's closure; hence, no indicator panel.

By the way, I had to prove this to Jim Cameron's satisfaction after the movie had come out and that proved to be no easy (or happy) task.

Parks
 

Noel F. Jones

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A further consideration is that a rake of w/t doors - that on the tank tops I think - was float-activated and therefore presumably would bave closed anyway upon inundation, independent of the bridge overide switch.

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Noel F. Jones

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Further:

There is an excellent photograph of a float-activated w/t door in situ on page 26 of the reprint of the Shipbuilder 1911 commemorative issue.

Noel
 

Bryan Ciobanu

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I know its been a long time, but anyway;

We now know that the doors were closed by a lever on the forward bridge, by the wheel.
But, how were they opened again?
Manually?
or by pulling the lever back again?

Thanks
Bryan
 
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David Haisman

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Hello Bryan,

Watertight doors on the ''Old Queens'' were operated naturally by bridge control and locally during ice routine.
All doors throughout sections of the working alleyway (Burma Road) were operated by holding a lever over on the bulkhead at the side of the door until the door was fully open. At this time a plate would rise up from the door track as the door slowly slid open, accompanied by the continuous ringing of a bell situated over the door with a red light flashing.
Safety always with these doors and at no time should anyone attempt to go through the door until fully open. Once your hand comes off of the lever, the door will automatically close.
Catering staff were the worst offenders, carrying trays and linen, taking their hands off of the lever and going through with the door only half open. These people were always in a hurry and despite the warnings, ignored the safety procedures.
It would be easy to trip over on the rising track plate and unless one was quick enough to recover, those doors would cut you in half like butter.
As usual, the deck department would have to clear up the mess.

David
 
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I thought only the WTDs in the stokeholds were automatically controlled from the bridge on Titanic. As well as being equipped with a float trigger which closed the doors if water began to flood the boiler spaces.

The rest of Titanic's WTDs located in the corridors of the ship were operated by a hand cranked 'key' mechanism on the floor. Is this not correct?
And doors could be opened or closed from the deck above by using a similar 'key' to turn a fitting located on the corridor floor. Right?
 
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David Haisman

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Hi all,

I'm not an expert on Titanic or ever intend to be but hopefully some of what I write may be relevant.
The building of the Queen Mary commenced around some 20 years after Titanic and of course many improvements, like all ships, were made and installed.
If I remember rightly, there was at the back of the wheelhouse on the ''Mary'' the entire ships watertight door diagram and all the watertight doors were indicated by lights throughout the vessel when being operated.
At the commencement of fog and ice routine procedures, the bridge, after notification throughout the ship, would close all watertight doors. From here on in, all personnel would operate the doors as explained above, but doors will always end up shut regardless and until re-opened by bridge control.
Watertight doors throughout the vessel can also be cranked open manually if the hydraulics fail so perhaps this may give a little more info on the Titanic set-up.
I hope this helps,

David
 
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If it is, (I don't know), then I don't see any sign of an electrical indicator panel showing which doors are closed or open. Meaning a WTD lever may be next to this whistle controller, but there may be another one someplace else with a more elaborate display panel associated with it.

Or since there's no sign of a display panel near the whistle controller, those apparatus may not be a WTD controller lever.

...I doubt these statements help you much Bryan. Sorry.
 
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I have a question about the water tight doors. Am I correct in understanding the these doors did not reach the ceilings, thus leaving an opening for water to overflow into adjoining areas? If so, why are they considered "water-tight" when they don't hold the water back? Shouldn't the doors have been conceived and constructed no matter how "unsinkable" anyone thought the ship to be?
 
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Deborah-- You are thinking of the watertight bulkheads, not the automatic doors which closed to make them watertight.

The automatic watertight doors allowed access to the boiler rooms and other spaces on the tank top level. These doors were a bit larger than a passage door in most houses. As near as we can tell, they all fell shut properly when Murdoch operated the switch on the bridge.

The bulkheads did not go to the "top" of the hull. They extended upward only far enough to protect the ship from sinking if it became involved in any of the more normal ship accidents for 1912. In an oversimplification, it was expected that if water got higher than the tops of the bulkheads, the ship was not going to float, anyway.

No ship has ever been "unsinkable," although as Walter Lord pointed out the first true big ship, I.K. Brunnel's Great Eastern, had so much subdivision that it would have taken more than a single iceberg to sink it. However, the layout of Great Eastern was a flop with passengers who tired of climbing up and down ladders (stairways ashore) to go from one compartment to another.

The purpose behind Titanic's subdivision plan was to allow the ship to function as its own lifeboat. That is, to float long enough to allow passengers and crew to be transferred to a rescue ship.

-- David G. Brown
 

James Smith

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For David Haisman: Does this look familiar? It was taken last month.

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--Jim
 

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