Were there any crimes recorded

[Michael H. Standart]

>>If half of the medias reports are wrong, that means most Titanic books are mostly wrong there fore most of the answer's are mostly all wrong?<<

It's certainly possible. We discuss this problem all the time and it highlights the importance of using primary (First hand) source material. Even that could be wrong but at least you have it from whomever it came from and in it's full context.

 

[Bob Godfrey]

Alyson, do remember that not all Edwardian men were gentlemen and not all Edwardian women were ladylike. Swearing, cussing, offensive language - call it what you will - has a very long history and we all find it useful from time to time (quite frequently in my case)! Just about all the 'bad language' you've ever heard was invented long before 1912, except of course for words and phrases which are purely modern slang - and the Edwardians could match those with equally offensive slang in their time.

Certainly all the familiar 'four letter words' were well known and well used. Not in polite conversation, of course, and in those days you didn't normally see this kind of language in print, but most people were familiar with it. The Prince of Wales (later King Edward VIII) used the f-word in private letters to a lady friend, for instance. She objected - and not because she didn't know what it meant! I could post many examples of spoken expressions from police interviews, court proceedings etc, but as we don't want this website to get an x-rating you'll have to take my word for it. As always, there are other threads which discuss this in more detail. I know it's hard to find all this stuff in such a large forum - but no pain, no gain. This page is the best starting point for exploration:

Encyclopedia Titanica Message Board

 

[Aly Jones]

>> I could post many examples of spoken expressions from police interviews, court proceedings etc, but as we don't want this website to get an x-rating you'll have to take my word for it<<
I'm so interested in this kind of subject.You could always P/M me the examples ,if you would like to. That's if you feel comfortable in doing so.

 

[Aly Jones]

>>It's certainly possible. We discuss this problem all the time and it highlights the importance of using primary (First hand) source material. Even that could be wrong but at least you have it from whomever it came from and in it's full context.<<

That means no one really knows what happend that night.
Even you experts?

 

[Bob Godfrey]

Sorry, Alyson, I draw the line at that. Try writing to the Prince of Wales!

 

[Stanley C Jenkins]

Hello Alyson,

The bit about dressing up as women is probably not true, but the card sharp Harry Homer was a real first class passenger who was also known as "Kid" Homer. He was an English-American who had worked as a cowboy, but was presumably refined enough to pass himself off as a gentleman and rich enough to buy a first class ticket. As a first class traveller he would not have needed to dress up as a woman - most of the first class men seem to have had no qualms about escaping from the sinking ship in the lifeboats when large numbers of woman and children were still aboard. It was the second class men who stood back and "did the right thing" - the teachers, doctors and clergymen, rather than the capitalists and money-men in first class.

 

[Aly Jones]

>>I draw the line at that.<<

Bob.Not in that kind of way lol.I hope you did not mis-understood me!
I meant send me the examples of the court proceedings and police interveiws.
I didn't mean like talk dirty to each other or anything like that. I'm interested in Titanic and History.

Stanley C Jenkins. Thanks for comfirming for me.
But there were other men that dress up as ladies?

 

[Bob Godfrey]

No worries, Alyson, I knew what you meant! But the answer's still no - it's too trivial a matter to take up my time or yours. Language has always served many purposes, and people don't change. In answer to the question now on your mind - yes, James Moody no doubt did turn the air blue on occasion!

 

[Stanley C Jenkins]

There were several reports of men (usually third class travellers from Mediterranean countries) dressing up as women in order to sneak into the boats. I say "reports" because the gutter press was concocting all sorts of rubbish about officers about going mad, boiler explosions, mass panic, etc., etc., etc.

 

[Michael H. Standart]

>>That means no one really knows what happend that night.<<

Actually, we do. At least in terms of the larger picture. Between witnesses and modern forensics studies, it's possible to positively exclude what couldn't possibly have happened, and that gets you a lot closer to the nitty gritty details of what actually did happen.

Eyewitness accounts may not be the most reliable, but they're not completely bogus and they can be useful in putting the pieces of the puzzle together. The catch here is that you need to make sure that any eyewitness accounts you read actually came from the eyewitness who was named.

With the newspapers, this is anything but a sure thing. In terms of source material, the newspapers are the least reliable of the lot, practically to the point of being useless.

 

[Inger Sheil]

yes, James Moody no doubt did turn the air blue on occasion!

Absolutely - he himself makes reference to swearing at the bosun to make him liven the crew up. He even had some bilingual ability in this area, mentioning that when speaking Spanish he sometimes inadvertantly used a swear world in that language - quite embarrassing when he was chatting to the signoritas.

No, I do not know which specific words these were. He didn't record them.

 

[Aly Jones]

>>In answer to the question now on your mind - yes, James Moody no doubt did turn the air blue on occasion! <<

How did you know i was going to ask that questions?I'm not that ovious am i?

probelry not in front of ladies though.

 

[Aly Jones]

>>No, I do not know which specific words these were. He didn't record them<<

You beaten me to the punch!lol.

But i'm sure his family members would of heard something?
I was only joking about that question. I know how to take a hint.

 

[Mark Baber]

Moderator's hat on.

Alyson---

Go into your profile, activate the spell check function and use it. Just on this page alone, you've typed the following "words": protened, unspected, vonuable, grantine, professinal, pleaseant, pubilic, aswell, interveiws, comfirming, ovious and probelry.

Please also use standard grammar---"would have heard" not "would of heard," for example---and punctuation. Your messages are quite hard to read and understand.

Moderator's hat off.

 

[Aly Jones]

Mab sir.With respect here.I do have spell check but it only highlights the incorrect word. Does not give me the right spelling.All i can do is try my best that my post as correct spelling and grammer.Maybe you should not look at my post if it up sets you.