What caused the damage to the stern?

[sir john adams]

True it is more than likely the ship pivitoded as she sank. But I doubt there was enough enternal suction to pull her forward. I believe she would have been plunging. Her propellers clearing once more as she rapidly fills with water.

 

[Kyle Naber]

thank you. i am full aware of titanic honor and glory and in fact follow them closley . but i still wonder ..... you say the bow torpedoded down .. with ease but when she leveled out . and hit the bottom there must have been still some air. or was it all lost when is contacted with the sea floor

All of the air pockets would have imploded at a depth of about 300 feet, meaning that absolutely no air would be left at the time of impact with the sea floor.

 

[sir john adams]

Not even a drop......I wonder what happened to any bodies trapped with the bow?

 

[Kyle Naber]

Not even a drop......I wonder what happened to any bodies trapped with the bow?

On the way down, ear drums would have exploded with the pressure and possibly eye sockets? Within weeks, all flesh would be eaten away, and years with bones. There aren't any remains today.

 

[sir john adams]

thank you

 

[Cam Houseman]

water passage through the ship on descent, corkscrewing, the impact, at maybe around 45 MPH, and the stern didn't stop corkscrewing, so there's a bend around the Second Class Smoking Room, which would explain why it doesn't exist anymore

the Stern's starboard side exploded outwards, because of the force of impact, and everything on the starboard side of the Stern was ejected, bed springs, tiles, walls, hull, light fixtures, plates, cup, rope, Turbine Room equipment, you name it. its a real mess!
I put in a screenshot of an area in the ejecta debris field from NOAA 2003 footage

 

[Michael-McDonnell]

While the bow sank much slower the stern was still buoyant until after the break up and sank much quicker, even through it's a movie the stern sinking scene in the 97 movie it had water pressure exploding out and had this in some sinking recreations like Honor And Glory, it's likely the extra damage was caused by impact to the sea floor.

 

[Michael-McDonnell]

water passage through the ship on descent, corkscrewing, the impact, at maybe around 45 MPH, and the stern didn't stop corkscrewing, so there's a bend around the Second Class Smoking Room, which would explain why it doesn't exist anymore

the Stern's starboard side exploded outwards, because of the force of impact, and everything on the starboard side of the Stern was ejected, bed springs, tiles, walls, hull, light fixtures, plates, cup, rope, Turbine Room equipment, you name it. its a real mess!
I put in a screenshot of an area in the ejecta debris field from NOAA 2003 footage
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Why is the portside intact?

 

[Cam Houseman]

Why is the portside intact?

I wouldn't say intact, some stuff ejected out that side from where the shell plating fell way too. the Hull is splayed out. But I think, in my opinion at least, was because the Stern was spiraling.

The Stern has a 5-10 degree bend around the Second Class entrance, so in my theory, the hull on the starboard side was compressed as it was bent out of shape, and then exploded outwards. Also supported by how the hull still lies next to the Starboard side.

Just my .02

 

[Michael-McDonnell]

I wouldn't say intact, some stuff ejected out that side from where the shell plating fell way too. the Hull is splayed out. But I think, in my opinion at least, was because the Stern was spiraling.

The Stern has a 5-10 degree bend around the Second Class entrance, so in my theory, the hull on the starboard side was compressed as it was bent out of shape, and then exploded outwards. Also supported by how the hull still lies next to the Starboard side.

Just my .02

If you read Roy Mengot's page by going through Paul Lee's page he states the ripped starboard side of the stern supports the theory the stern did list to port after the break up.

Would spiralling be forceful enough to break off hull plating?

 

[Cam Houseman]

Would spiralling be forceful enough to break off hull plating?

Good evening!
No, it made the Stern hydrodynamic, although I'm probably wrong. The Starboard hull plating still lies next to the ship, which is enough evidence that it came off on impact. If so, it'd be far more scattered. It also fits Charles Pellegrino's theory that the debris field on the starboard side was created by things on the starboard side ejecting out, which is also supported by bedsprings, tiles, and other odd debris that lie directly next to the Stern.

If you read Roy Mengot's page by going through Paul Lee's page he states the ripped starboard side of the stern supports the theory the stern did list to port after the break up.

I have poured through Mr. Mengot's site many times, he is a GREAT researcher. Just beware his research is a bit outdated. For example, there is no "Forward tower," he misnamed it. I talked to Bill Sauder about it a while ago (such a smart man) and its just a lump on the seafloor, and it really is, from footage I've seen. Nothing "tower" about it. The only tower debris is the one centered around the Engine Uptake and contains A-36 and A-37. As Parks Stephenson said, "its just a big, ugly pile of Junk."

 

[Steven Christian]

Good evening!
No, it made the Stern hydrodynamic, although I'm probably wrong. The Starboard hull plating still lies next to the ship, which is enough evidence that it came off on impact. If so, it'd be far more scattered. It also fits Charles Pellegrino's theory that the debris field on the starboard side was created by things on the starboard side ejecting out, which is also supported by bedsprings, tiles, and other odd debris that lie directly next to the Stern.


I have poured through Mr. Mengot's site many times, he is a GREAT researcher. Just beware his research is a bit outdated. For example, there is no "Forward tower," he misnamed it. I talked to Bill Sauder about it a while ago (such a smart man) and its just a lump on the seafloor, and it really is, from footage I've seen. Nothing "tower" about it. The only tower debris is the one centered around the Engine Uptake and contains A-36 and A-37. As Parks Stephenson said, "its just a big, ugly pile of Junk."

I watched "Drain the Titanic" last night. For some reason I liked it more than the first time I watched it. Probably because the quality of the video was so good. But looking at their computer generated model it looks to me that much of the damage was caused by the impact not implosions,explosions, ect. The buckled hull, collapsed topside, ect. seems to line up with the old saying "it's not the speed that kills you, it's the sudden stop" At least that's what I was seeing. Plus there was damage from stuff peeling off too. But that was the external damage. Inside it was mostly stuff crashing around and out of her. Cheers.

 

[Cam Houseman]

Yeah. Like a car going 80 Mph into a brick wall.

Personally I'd say descent and Impact masked any evidence of an Implosion, especially how the impact blew things outward.

 

[Michael-McDonnell]

Good evening!
No, it made the Stern hydrodynamic, although I'm probably wrong. The Starboard hull plating still lies next to the ship, which is enough evidence that it came off on impact. If so, it'd be far more scattered. It also fits Charles Pellegrino's theory that the debris field on the starboard side was created by things on the starboard side ejecting out, which is also supported by bedsprings, tiles, and other odd debris that lie directly next to the Stern.


I have poured through Mr. Mengot's site many times, he is a GREAT researcher. Just beware his research is a bit outdated. For example, there is no "Forward tower," he misnamed it. I talked to Bill Sauder about it a while ago (such a smart man) and its just a lump on the seafloor, and it really is, from footage I've seen. Nothing "tower" about it. The only tower debris is the one centered around the Engine Uptake and contains A-36 and A-37. As Parks Stephenson said, "its just a big, ugly pile of Junk."

How the bow's shell plating is intact?

Mengot's theory doesn't show the ship splitting in the middle but indicates the ship did break into three or four pieces.

 

[Michael-McDonnell]

Many survivors reported hearing explosions or implosions ten or thirty seconds after the stern disappeared beneath the waves.