Luke Wojnowski
Member
White-Star-Line-Original-PHOTO-1910s-TITANIC-Rare
I fought for it and went up to $335 but I lost- I'm soo depressed
I fought for it and went up to $335 but I lost- I'm soo depressed
What is the true value of this genuine TITANIC photograph
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Timothy Trower
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Apparently the answer is $455.00
Luke Wojnowski
Member
Yeah on ebay- but I can guarantee it would be a hell of a lot more in an auction
John Knight
Member
I have to say that having looked as closely as I could at the photos in that link, that they are not of the Titanic.
The weather shielding on decks 'A' and 'B' look wrong to me and the name is so unclear as to be unreadable.
Anyone else have a view?
Regards,
John.
The weather shielding on decks 'A' and 'B' look wrong to me and the name is so unclear as to be unreadable.
Anyone else have a view?
Regards,
John.
Eric Longo
Member
Hi All,
Was this an unpublished or very scarce or unique photocard? Something made after the disaster in some quantity, or something few or perhaps no one else owns? Original to the period? From a copy negative? I have no idea - I am not aware of who sold it and I make no statement at all against the seller of this photocard etc. I only collect Mauretania so I'd not know. However, I think those questions would be part of the answer to "what it is worth?" The paper and photographers stamp on the back might indicate something too. The copyright status, if not a unique photocard, would be indicated by the age of the print I think. One could interpret the bid history, and bidders, to mean it was not a unique photocard - that this would have been pursued much more strongly and to a higher level if it were. Why weren't there more bids from "heavy hitters"? But then there is the time I bought an early unique photo of Olympic for 25 cents......
Maybe someone will recognize the image or card and will chime in with more data. Image aside, does it share attributes of other vintage, perhaps one-off, photocards from the period? Is it actually Titanic? It seems to say so on the stern, but there are plenty of visual clues I am sure for those that know to find and comment on.
Best,
Eric Longo
PS - I am hard pressed to think of any original photocard I have of Mauretania from before the late 1920's/1930's that has borders so sharp, so even or of that width. Offhand, I'd say most of my unique/low run photocards don't have a border at all, and those that do have uneven or wider borders on one end etc.
Was this an unpublished or very scarce or unique photocard? Something made after the disaster in some quantity, or something few or perhaps no one else owns? Original to the period? From a copy negative? I have no idea - I am not aware of who sold it and I make no statement at all against the seller of this photocard etc. I only collect Mauretania so I'd not know. However, I think those questions would be part of the answer to "what it is worth?" The paper and photographers stamp on the back might indicate something too. The copyright status, if not a unique photocard, would be indicated by the age of the print I think. One could interpret the bid history, and bidders, to mean it was not a unique photocard - that this would have been pursued much more strongly and to a higher level if it were. Why weren't there more bids from "heavy hitters"? But then there is the time I bought an early unique photo of Olympic for 25 cents......
Maybe someone will recognize the image or card and will chime in with more data. Image aside, does it share attributes of other vintage, perhaps one-off, photocards from the period? Is it actually Titanic? It seems to say so on the stern, but there are plenty of visual clues I am sure for those that know to find and comment on.
Best,
Eric Longo
PS - I am hard pressed to think of any original photocard I have of Mauretania from before the late 1920's/1930's that has borders so sharp, so even or of that width. Offhand, I'd say most of my unique/low run photocards don't have a border at all, and those that do have uneven or wider borders on one end etc.
Trevor Powell
Member
Hi John, looking at this piece under a magnifying glass it clearly reads "Titanic" on the stern.
As the underbidder on this piece, I inquired to the seller as to just how rare it is. The seller stated that in all her years of collecting and researching she has never seen a duplicate. In conclusion, she seemed to suggest that the photo is one of a kind- if not, incredibly rare
As the underbidder on this piece, I inquired to the seller as to just how rare it is. The seller stated that in all her years of collecting and researching she has never seen a duplicate. In conclusion, she seemed to suggest that the photo is one of a kind- if not, incredibly rare
John Knight
Member
Hi Trevor,
I'm going to have to find my magnifying glass now aren't I? ;-) From what I can see though, if anything the lettering looks doctored. We'll see.
What do you think of the weather shielding though? I can accept that if it's early Titanic then the 'A' deck one is not in place, but what about the extent of the 'B' deck shielding, that does not seem to come back any where near as far as it should.
Regards,
John, now where have the kids put my magnifying glass?
I'm going to have to find my magnifying glass now aren't I? ;-) From what I can see though, if anything the lettering looks doctored. We'll see.
What do you think of the weather shielding though? I can accept that if it's early Titanic then the 'A' deck one is not in place, but what about the extent of the 'B' deck shielding, that does not seem to come back any where near as far as it should.
Regards,
John, now where have the kids put my magnifying glass?
John Knight
Member
Ok, I have had a look using my magnifying glass and to me I can not make out anything clearly. The more I looked the more I could see letters, like y and m. I have to say, I'm not happy about that stern picture at all.
Regards,
John.
Regards,
John.
Timothy Trower
Guest
The stern portholes on both the Olympic and Titanic are the same -- I've just spent some time pouring over photos of both. I copied and pasted the postcard into a Word document, then enlarged it in stages stopping at 500%. What I was looking for was the arrangement of the starboard side portholes -- they differ slightly from MKC to MGY. Because of the angle, I finally gave up -- the photo takes on too much of a blur. What I did see was an uncommon amount of blurring on the boat deck. To me, this looks like a solid line of lifeboats ... post Titanic. I'd be curious to hear other opinions on this.
Eric Longo
Member
Hi All,
Food for thought. Have a look at closed eBay item #6621264010 - same seller. "You are bidding on an original (not a reproduction) Photo POSTCARD of the White Star Line steamship RMS OLYMPIC, Sister ship of the TITANIC and dates from the early 1910s. The postcard is a rare view of the ship entering port and is in unused condition. The scans show the entire item. This great piece is a great find in great condition as shown in the scans below!" Taking a look at the reverse I see what is, to the best of my knowledge, a Kodak stamp box that dates from no earlier than 1950. Another photo postcard, also of Olympic - same seller - #6621961055, makes the same claim, but bears a K Ltd. stamp box dating from the 1930's or later (it has a more modern font than the ones I have seen) along with a photo agency stamp that I have not seen earlier than the mid 1920's and usually in the 30's or later. I make NO assertion that these were anything except honest mistakes. I saw quite a few cards that were produced nowhere near the dates stated in my humble opinion. It is for this reason I find the reverse and other characteristics of these cards often are more telling than any image on the obverse. The Titanic/Olympic card in question here has a blank back - no stamp box (sort of unusual) with a photographers stamp that is later than 1912 in my opinion. It would be good to see it in hand.
Best,
Eric
Food for thought. Have a look at closed eBay item #6621264010 - same seller. "You are bidding on an original (not a reproduction) Photo POSTCARD of the White Star Line steamship RMS OLYMPIC, Sister ship of the TITANIC and dates from the early 1910s. The postcard is a rare view of the ship entering port and is in unused condition. The scans show the entire item. This great piece is a great find in great condition as shown in the scans below!" Taking a look at the reverse I see what is, to the best of my knowledge, a Kodak stamp box that dates from no earlier than 1950. Another photo postcard, also of Olympic - same seller - #6621961055, makes the same claim, but bears a K Ltd. stamp box dating from the 1930's or later (it has a more modern font than the ones I have seen) along with a photo agency stamp that I have not seen earlier than the mid 1920's and usually in the 30's or later. I make NO assertion that these were anything except honest mistakes. I saw quite a few cards that were produced nowhere near the dates stated in my humble opinion. It is for this reason I find the reverse and other characteristics of these cards often are more telling than any image on the obverse. The Titanic/Olympic card in question here has a blank back - no stamp box (sort of unusual) with a photographers stamp that is later than 1912 in my opinion. It would be good to see it in hand.
Best,
Eric
Dave Gittins
Member
The ship is certainly Titanic. The giveway is the stern docking bridge. On Olympic, the docking bridge ends flush with the ship's side. On Titanic, it overhangs the sides by a metre or so. See Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book.
The age and provenance of the card I leave to others.
The age and provenance of the card I leave to others.
Eric Longo
Member
Hi All,
I clearly misspoke myself. I meant to convey the notion that "IF any mistakes were made" regarding the dating of any cards - IF. As I said, I don't know the seller and did not mean to make any comment per se - I was simply trying to share some information about dating photocards.
Any statements are just my opinions, nothing more.
Best,
Eric Longo,
I clearly misspoke myself. I meant to convey the notion that "IF any mistakes were made" regarding the dating of any cards - IF. As I said, I don't know the seller and did not mean to make any comment per se - I was simply trying to share some information about dating photocards.
Any statements are just my opinions, nothing more.
Best,
Eric Longo,
John Knight
Member
Dave Gittins said,
"The ship is certainly Titanic. The giveway is the stern docking bridge. On Olympic, the docking bridge ends flush with the ship's side. On Titanic, it overhangs the sides by a metre or so. See Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book."
I would like some other opinions on this, maybe from Mark Chirnside if possible?
I see what Dave is aiming at, but I am still not convinced, I think the docking bridge is 'flush with the ships side' at least it looks that way on the Starboard side to me and I wonder if the reason for the Port side of it looking as though it over hangs the side, is because of the angle the photograph was taken from.
Regards,
John.
"The ship is certainly Titanic. The giveway is the stern docking bridge. On Olympic, the docking bridge ends flush with the ship's side. On Titanic, it overhangs the sides by a metre or so. See Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book."
I would like some other opinions on this, maybe from Mark Chirnside if possible?
I see what Dave is aiming at, but I am still not convinced, I think the docking bridge is 'flush with the ships side' at least it looks that way on the Starboard side to me and I wonder if the reason for the Port side of it looking as though it over hangs the side, is because of the angle the photograph was taken from.
Regards,
John.
Bob Godfrey
Member
The photo in question can also be found in the Eaton & Haas book Titanic, a Journey Through Time. Page 20. The caption (not necessarily accurate) is Titanic at Southampton.
