What they wore

Does anybody have any idea what some of the richer ladies, Mrs. Thayer, Mrs. Widenor, Mrs, Carter, Mrs. Cardeza, etc. wore off the Titanic. I really only know about Mrs. Brown and her velvet black dress. Also, does anyone know if their clothes are still in existence.

Any knowledge would be appreciated
John Morris
 
I have heard of a third-class female passenger (the name fails me), wearing off a ruby-red house coat into a lifeboat. The coat is now displayed in her hometown museum. I'm not so sure on the class she was in or the location of the museum; I read this in a book long ago.
 
There's a thread - long retired - on this subject.

We know Dorothy Gibson wore a white silk evening dress covered by a cardigan sweater. She also had on black pumps and a long coat. Dorothy wore this costume again in the Eclair-produced film "Saved from the Titanic" in which she starred after her rescue.

Edith Rosenbaum (Russell) wore a hobble-skirted woolen dress, a matching fur cape and muff, a knitted hat, and those blasted embroidered pumps with buckles, one of which she lost in the scramble to board boat 11 and actually spent a few minutes hunting for along the grate of the deck!

The photo of the George Harders on Carpathia show the couple looking quite spiffy, he in a sport suit, overcoat, and snap-brim tweed cap, she in a floral-printed jacket, a hobble-skirt, fur stole, plumed cloche, and high-buttoned shoes.

Lady Duff Gordon, ironically, did not take time to dress, flinging on only a lightweight silk kimono and a fur coat over her night gown. She wore a scarf draped turban-style over her hair. On her feet she had on only carpet slippers without stockings and she carried a small velvet jewelry bag. The kimono is alive (and not so well) in my possession, being on loan from her family and awaiting conservation and eventual museum donation.

Mrs. Astor wore a light colored evening dress which, according to several newspaper reports, was exchanged for a heavier wool dress into which she was assisted by her maid and others in the comparative seclusion of the gymnasium. She also supposedly had an evening scarf which she gave to a steerage class lady (Mrs. Aks?)in the lifeboat later. This scarf survives in the collection of the Titanic Historical Society.

I have a theory about hobble skirts being the cause of some accidents involving first class ladies both before and during the sinking. (Hobble skirts, the fad of the 1910-14 period, were already notorious for causing women to trip as they alighted from streetcars and subways.)

So I've always thought that Mrs. Harris' tripping down stairs earlier in the day of the 14th might have had to do with a narrow hemline.

Was a tight-ankled skirt also to blame for Mrs. White's injury enroute?

Might it have contributed to Mrs. Churchill's fall as she boarded boat 6 or the fall of the young French girl (Mme. Aubart?)at boat 9?

Most tragically, did that infernal fashion prevent Miss Evans from successfully negotiating the rail at boat D?
 
Not one of the more intelligent fashion trends, to be sure. I guess they were lucky that those godawful platform shoes were not in style at the same time.
 
True. A very dumb fashion. Odd too that it coincided with advancements in the women's rights movement of the time. Can you imagine a wierder picture - suffragettes fighting for their rights wearing skirts they can barely walk in? The hobble skirt btw was - shock! - invented by a man. Go figure. His name was Paul Poiret, a real chauvinist pig 1910 style! Our Lucile hated him with a fashion passion!

Randy
 
But, being singularly ugly AND impractical, the hobble skirt does serve as a wonderful illustration as to WHY the Irene Castle look became so popular. For me 'though, the Pola Negri/Gloria Swanson look (Ca. 1923) was about as awful as 20th Century fashions got. Close second: The Annie Hall Look. Distant Third: Culottes
 
If all the ladies hated and tripped in the hobble skirts, how did those skirts ever become popular and last for 4 years!?

Mrs. Harris blamed an oil spot from a tea cup cake for her slip.

Daniel.
 
Daniel,

Most ladies did not hate anything that was stylish. If that were so, women would never have submitted to tight corsets or hoops or bustles or any of the other (to our thinking) hideous contraptions that were worn in the name of beauty.

The extreme version of the hobble skirt, introduced in 1910, was about 28-32 inches in circumference at the hem which reached to the ankle or instep. These were not generally adopted, however. Eventually, by 1912, skirts were draped in a way so as to give the effect of a tapered skirt but allow enough room through the cross-over opening for women to walk fairly easily. Slits were also employed as well as kick-pleats to permit a normal stride. Even so, these skirts still tended to catch at the ankle at times and caused women to trip. The narrow skirt was indeed fashionable for four years but not the extreme example of the hobble. The term just became a general one for all tight skirts.

As to Mrs. Harris, I think had she been wearing a full skirt - and we can safely bet she was not - she would have been able to maneuver around the tea cake oil spot.

Randy
 
If wearing a brick around one's neck was in style, some women would run out to buy their bricks.

And, James, we must not forget Twiggy in the awful fashion hall of shame. The Twiggy fashion made anorexia "fashionable".
 
Let's hear it for Balenciaga- a man who gave a lady YARDS of fullness and enough fabric to slipcover an elephant- of course only Grace Kelly really looked good in it!
 
Dear Randy,

Wow your knowledge on fashion is exceptional and unlike any I have seen before. I'm looking forward to your book.

I do agree with you on the oil spot and Mrs. Harris.

All the very best,

Daniel.
 
Hi all! What kind of coats were the most popular in that time of the year? Fur ones or rather woolen since it was spring? I think I have also seen a sable fur coat by Mrs. Cosby's daughter in an issue of Titanic Commutator some years ago! Thanks!
 
George,

Today, with our centrally heated homes and offices, we think furs are too heavy for spring but they were not in those days. So they were much in evidence on Titanic as elsewhere in April 1912 (except in very warm climates).

As to types of furs, it's been said that sable is always in style if you can afford it. Ermine was another of the aristocrats of furs then, as was chinchilla. Other popular skins were fox, moleskin, muskrat (or musquash), oppossum, even skunk and monkey.

Of the kinds of furs we know that women wore that night, there was sable (Molly Brown I think), broadtail and fox (Edith Rosenbaum), squirrel (Lucy Duff Gordon) and I think several instances of sealskin, though I can't recall who all wore it.

Fox (white, gray, various shades of brown and red) would have likely been quite common. Silver fox was desirable but not quite as fashionable yet as it would become. Several women wore stoles along with full length furs and a few carried muffs.

In addition, cloth, woollen, velvet or silk coats, lined and/or trimmed in fur, would have been worn. Some dresses, suits, even evening gowns were trimmed in fur.

Randy
 
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