What were Emiliano Zapata and Pancho Villa doing in Mexico?

[Dan Kappes]

In the 1996 Titanic TV-miniseries, Emiliano Zapata is briefly mentioned when the first class passengers in the dining room are talking about current chaotic events in Mexico.

I have heard of this famous Mexican revolutionary of the 1910s and another man called Pancho Villa, but I don't know much about them.

Can someone give me a summary of what these men were doing in Mexico that caused a lot of chaos?

 

[Steven Christian]

They were eagerly awaiting supplies for the revolution that were on Titanic.
Most people don’t know that back in 1912, Hellmann’s mayonnaise was manufactured in England. In fact, the Titanic was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, Mexico, which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after its stop in New York.This would have been the largest single shipment of mayonnaise ever delivered to Mexico. But as we know, the great ship did not make it to New York. The ship hit an iceberg and sank, and the cargo was forever lost.The people of Mexico, who were crazy about mayonnaise, and were eagerly awaiting its delivery, were disconsolate at the loss. Their anguish was so great, that they declared a National Day of Mourning, which they still observe to this day.The National Day of Mourning occurs each year on May 5th and is known, of course, as Sinko de Mayo.

 

[Robert T. Paige]

Grrrrrroooaaaannnn !
I received this some time ago from one of my old USN shipmates.
Que sera, sera !

 

[Steven Christian]

LOL. Yes its bad I know and is at least 20 years old but I couldn't resist with the Mexico thing.

 

[Dan Kappes]

Could someone please give me a brief summary of the reasons for the revolutions in Mexico in the 1910s and not just humor?

I'd appreciate it.

 

[Dave Gittins]

The story of Zapata is covered in eye-watering detail in Wikipedia. It's tale of changing sides and a final devious plot to kill him. You are welcome to try to understand it!

 

[Dan Kappes]

I guess I'll just read about it in a book.

 

[Kas01]

Considering I'm taking a Mexican Revolution course, I'll give this one a go.

The Plan de Ayala had been published in November 1911 by Zapata. By March of 1912, a general named Pascual Orozco also rebelled against the leader of Mexico at the time, President Francisco Madero. At this point, Villa would have been a colonel of militia and still loyal to Madero. He wouldn't join the Huertista revolt until after being imprisoned in mid-1912 and escaping to the United States.

 

[Dan Kappes]

I wonder if the sinking of the Titanic in 1912 gave a level of shock to the people of Mexico as it was in countries like the US and UK. Events like the Titanic disaster and 9/11 do seem to impact the whole world.

Also, does anyone on here know if there were Mexicans on the Titanic?

 

[Seumas]

I wonder if the sinking of the Titanic in 1912 gave a level of shock to the people of Mexico as it was in countries like the US and UK. Events like the Titanic disaster and 9/11 do seem to impact the whole world.

Also, does anyone on here know if there were Mexicans on the Titanic?

At least one.

Manuel Ramirez Uruchurtu : Titanic Victim

Biography of Manuel Ramirez Uruchurtu : Titanic Victim

www.encyclopedia-titanica.org

 

[Robert T. Paige]

I wonder if the sinking of the Titanic in 1912 gave a level of shock to the people of Mexico as it was in countries like the US and UK. Events like the Titanic disaster and 9/11 do seem to impact the whole world.

Also, does anyone on here know if there were Mexicans on the Titanic?

So much for the old "Sinko de mayo" ,joke, but getting back to reality .

Would there have been a possibility of any passengers ......Hispanic ? ......who were planning on emigrating to the United States of even to Mexico via the United States ........say those Spain or other Hispanic country , who could have traveled to Cherbourg for passage on Titanic ?
In 1912 were there transatlantic crossing from and to Europe from and to Mexico, or would they have to get to Mexico or Europe via. The United States ?
Or just as your question asks "Were there any Mexicans on the Titanic ? ". We're there any wealthy Mexicans on ,Titanic who might have been touring Europe, especially to Spain and returning via Southampton or Cherbourg ? Or just Spanish emigrants in Steerage ?

I am also assuming Mexican newspapers would have received and featured Titanic news in their papers ?
Were there news cable services to Mexico in 1912 ?

 

[Kas01]

As Seumas said, there was one Mexican passenger in First Class. I believe there was also a honeymooning Spanish couple but the name escapes me at the moment. Of course the lady survived, but the guy didn't.

 

[Kas01]

Yep. Boat 8. Maria Josefa Perez de Peñaseco y Castellana, 22 years old, sailing with her husband Victor Peñaseco, 24, and maid from Cherbourg, originally from Madrid. Her blurb on the passenger info lists her as 17 years old though.

I don't know if she remarried but that seems unlikely.

 

[Jim Kalafus]

Marginally related. When the Marowijne vanished in the Gulf during a hurricane in August 1915, there were conflicting rumors that survivors reached shore in Mexico and were killed by rebels, or were being held hostage by said rebels. Both stories were strongly denied, but then a search party was dispatched to do some fact finding. That was when the press coverage ended, so any facts found remain obscure.