What were Emiliano Zapata and Pancho Villa doing in Mexico?

Dan Kappes

Member
Sep 26, 2018
380
74
38
26
Apple Valley, Minnesota, United States
In the 1996 Titanic TV-miniseries, Emiliano Zapata is briefly mentioned when the first class passengers in the dining room are talking about current chaotic events in Mexico.

I have heard of this famous Mexican revolutionary of the 1910s and another man called Pancho Villa, but I don't know much about them.

Can someone give me a summary of what these men were doing in Mexico that caused a lot of chaos?
 
Nov 14, 2005
662
249
113
They were eagerly awaiting supplies for the revolution that were on Titanic.
Most people don’t know that back in 1912, Hellmann’s mayonnaise was manufactured in England. In fact, the Titanic was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, Mexico, which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after its stop in New York.This would have been the largest single shipment of mayonnaise ever delivered to Mexico. But as we know, the great ship did not make it to New York. The ship hit an iceberg and sank, and the cargo was forever lost.The people of Mexico, who were crazy about mayonnaise, and were eagerly awaiting its delivery, were disconsolate at the loss. Their anguish was so great, that they declared a National Day of Mourning, which they still observe to this day.The National Day of Mourning occurs each year on May 5th and is known, of course, as Sinko de Mayo.
 

Dave Gittins

Member
Apr 11, 2001
4,954
205
193
The story of Zapata is covered in eye-watering detail in Wikipedia. It's tale of changing sides and a final devious plot to kill him. You are welcome to try to understand it!
 

Kas01

Member
May 24, 2018
146
41
38
24
Considering I'm taking a Mexican Revolution course, I'll give this one a go.

The Plan de Ayala had been published in November 1911 by Zapata. By March of 1912, a general named Pascual Orozco also rebelled against the leader of Mexico at the time, President Francisco Madero. At this point, Villa would have been a colonel of militia and still loyal to Madero. He wouldn't join the Huertista revolt until after being imprisoned in mid-1912 and escaping to the United States.
 

Dan Kappes

Member
Sep 26, 2018
380
74
38
26
Apple Valley, Minnesota, United States
I wonder if the sinking of the Titanic in 1912 gave a level of shock to the people of Mexico as it was in countries like the US and UK. Events like the Titanic disaster and 9/11 do seem to impact the whole world.

Also, does anyone on here know if there were Mexicans on the Titanic?
 

Seumas

Member
Mar 25, 2019
363
142
43
Glasgow, Scotland
I wonder if the sinking of the Titanic in 1912 gave a level of shock to the people of Mexico as it was in countries like the US and UK. Events like the Titanic disaster and 9/11 do seem to impact the whole world.

Also, does anyone on here know if there were Mexicans on the Titanic?
At least one.

 
May 3, 2005
2,195
170
133
I wonder if the sinking of the Titanic in 1912 gave a level of shock to the people of Mexico as it was in countries like the US and UK. Events like the Titanic disaster and 9/11 do seem to impact the whole world.

Also, does anyone on here know if there were Mexicans on the Titanic?
So much for the old "Sinko de mayo" ,joke, but getting back to reality .

Would there have been a possibility of any passengers ......Hispanic ? ......who were planning on emigrating to the United States of even to Mexico via the United States ........say those Spain or other Hispanic country , who could have traveled to Cherbourg for passage on Titanic ?
In 1912 were there transatlantic crossing from and to Europe from and to Mexico, or would they have to get to Mexico or Europe via. The United States ?
Or just as your question asks "Were there any Mexicans on the Titanic ? ". We're there any wealthy Mexicans on ,Titanic who might have been touring Europe, especially to Spain and returning via Southampton or Cherbourg ? Or just Spanish emigrants in Steerage ?

I am also assuming Mexican newspapers would have received and featured Titanic news in their papers ?
Were there news cable services to Mexico in 1912 ?
 
Last edited:

Kas01

Member
May 24, 2018
146
41
38
24
As Seumas said, there was one Mexican passenger in First Class. I believe there was also a honeymooning Spanish couple but the name escapes me at the moment. Of course the lady survived, but the guy didn't.
 

Kas01

Member
May 24, 2018
146
41
38
24
Yep. Boat 8. Maria Josefa Perez de Peñaseco y Castellana, 22 years old, sailing with her husband Victor Peñaseco, 24, and maid from Cherbourg, originally from Madrid. Her blurb on the passenger info lists her as 17 years old though.

I don't know if she remarried but that seems unlikely.