Who Hung Out W Whom on Board
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David F. Smith
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Hello Adam,
There are several great books that relate stories of who was traveling together. Young Jack Thayer Jr. met Milton Long on board and became friends, albeit temporarily. Col. Gracie was with his good friend Clinch Smith. There are so many more. A good place to start is to get a copy of Walter Lords' book "A Night to remember" and the sequel "The Night Lives On". These two books are what most of us became hooked on the topic from.
There are several great books that relate stories of who was traveling together. Young Jack Thayer Jr. met Milton Long on board and became friends, albeit temporarily. Col. Gracie was with his good friend Clinch Smith. There are so many more. A good place to start is to get a copy of Walter Lords' book "A Night to remember" and the sequel "The Night Lives On". These two books are what most of us became hooked on the topic from.
Randy Bryan Bigham
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Adam:
Frank Millet and Archie Butt were old pals, shared a bachelor pad, and were travelling home together. These two would have known a great number of the passengers. It is said that Archie struck up a special friendship with Marian Thayer.
Edith Rosenbaum Russell knew a lot of her fellow merchants, department store buyers and other business people, and hung around with several, including George Rheims, Benjamin Forman and Robert W. Daniel. She also met most of the "big names" including the Astors, William Thomas Stead, Millet, Butt, the Harrises, the Duff Gordons and the Futrelles.
The Duff Gordons were friends with the Thayers and the Cavendishes. They also met and socialized with the Meyers and the Harrises. On the rescue ship they met Edith Rosenbaum, the Fortune women, Mrs. Kenyon, and the Allison nurse. As W.T. Stead was a friend of Lucy Duff Gordon's sister, I think it's likely they knew each other as well.
And of course, Helen Churchill Candee is well known to have attracted a swarm of escorts, including Hugh Woolner, with whom there was possibly a romantic dalliance, Edward Kent and the ubiquitous Archibald Gracie.
Randy
Frank Millet and Archie Butt were old pals, shared a bachelor pad, and were travelling home together. These two would have known a great number of the passengers. It is said that Archie struck up a special friendship with Marian Thayer.
Edith Rosenbaum Russell knew a lot of her fellow merchants, department store buyers and other business people, and hung around with several, including George Rheims, Benjamin Forman and Robert W. Daniel. She also met most of the "big names" including the Astors, William Thomas Stead, Millet, Butt, the Harrises, the Duff Gordons and the Futrelles.
The Duff Gordons were friends with the Thayers and the Cavendishes. They also met and socialized with the Meyers and the Harrises. On the rescue ship they met Edith Rosenbaum, the Fortune women, Mrs. Kenyon, and the Allison nurse. As W.T. Stead was a friend of Lucy Duff Gordon's sister, I think it's likely they knew each other as well.
And of course, Helen Churchill Candee is well known to have attracted a swarm of escorts, including Hugh Woolner, with whom there was possibly a romantic dalliance, Edward Kent and the ubiquitous Archibald Gracie.
Randy
Hi Adam,
Arthur Peuchen was traveling with his good friend Harry Markland Molson. Hugo Ross who was also on board, was another good friend. Peuchen was very friendly with Mark Fortune and his family, and the Allison's whom he had dinner with on April 14.
Other people that he knew that come to mind are Charles Hays, Thomson Beattie and Thomas McCaffry.
Best regards,
Jason
Arthur Peuchen was traveling with his good friend Harry Markland Molson. Hugo Ross who was also on board, was another good friend. Peuchen was very friendly with Mark Fortune and his family, and the Allison's whom he had dinner with on April 14.
Other people that he knew that come to mind are Charles Hays, Thomson Beattie and Thomas McCaffry.
Best regards,
Jason
Hi Adam,
The above are excellent examples of passenger connections. Perhaps if you name a specific passenger that interests you, others here will be able to provide a list of his/her shipboard acquainances.
Also were there anyone who couldn't stand another passenger or couldn't stand to be near or around.
An example that immediately springs to mind is Francis Millet's disdain for "obnoxious, ostentatious American women", targetting specifically any women who strolled the decks with a yappy dog in tow "while their husbands followed them around like pet lambs". It can be assumed that Millet was referring to either Mrs. Rothschild or Mrs Bishop.
Best Regards,
Ben
The above are excellent examples of passenger connections. Perhaps if you name a specific passenger that interests you, others here will be able to provide a list of his/her shipboard acquainances.
Also were there anyone who couldn't stand another passenger or couldn't stand to be near or around.
An example that immediately springs to mind is Francis Millet's disdain for "obnoxious, ostentatious American women", targetting specifically any women who strolled the decks with a yappy dog in tow "while their husbands followed them around like pet lambs". It can be assumed that Millet was referring to either Mrs. Rothschild or Mrs Bishop.
Best Regards,
Ben
mary mason
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I find this an interesting subject.
Randy, you say the Duff Gordons met the Allison nurse on the Carpathia. did they ever mention anything about her or baby Trevor? I am researching the Allison's and their servents so any informatin is helpful.
Randy, you say the Duff Gordons met the Allison nurse on the Carpathia. did they ever mention anything about her or baby Trevor? I am researching the Allison's and their servents so any informatin is helpful.
Hello All,
Perhaps if you name a specific passenger that interests you.
I'm interested in The Countess of Rothes, Molly Brown, Ben Guggenheim, The Strauss's. Anyone know who they hung out w/ on board? Also thanks for your input Ben and Jason, very interesting. Thank You.
Adam Odle
Perhaps if you name a specific passenger that interests you.
I'm interested in The Countess of Rothes, Molly Brown, Ben Guggenheim, The Strauss's. Anyone know who they hung out w/ on board? Also thanks for your input Ben and Jason, very interesting. Thank You.
Adam Odle
Hi Adam,
Glad to help.
The Countess of Rothes was well acquainted with most of the British set, who were in the minority in first class. She would almost certainly have known Tyrell and Julia Cavendish of Staffordshire, and I believe she would later recount a conversation she had over tea with Mrs. Marion Kenyon at some stage during the voyage. I'll have to check my source for that. It is also apparent that the Countess was acquainted with Fletcher Lambert-Williams. It was he who made the first courteous, if unsuccessful attempt to procue lifebelts for her and Miss Cherry, following the collision.
Molly Brown became a close friend of Emma Ward Bucknell during the trip, and spent most of her time attempting to dissuade the latter from dwelling on her premonition of impending disaster. The two ladies were table companions of Dr. Arthur Jackson Brewe, a Philadelphia physician.
Whilst it is almost certain that most passengers knew of the presence of Benjamin Guggenheim on board, it appears that he socialised only with his young mistress, Madame Aubert. There were, however, several first class passengers with whom the Guggenheims had close business asscoations, including Col. John Weir and William Hipkins, so Benjamin may have recognised them at least.
The same is true of the Strauses. Although most of their fellow passengers would have known of their presence on board, they apparently kept a low profile and dined alone. They did, however, spend a great deal of time with Col. Gracie and his "coterie", and knew fellow New Yorkers, Henry and Rene Harris, very well.
Hope this helps,
Ben
Glad to help.
The Countess of Rothes was well acquainted with most of the British set, who were in the minority in first class. She would almost certainly have known Tyrell and Julia Cavendish of Staffordshire, and I believe she would later recount a conversation she had over tea with Mrs. Marion Kenyon at some stage during the voyage. I'll have to check my source for that. It is also apparent that the Countess was acquainted with Fletcher Lambert-Williams. It was he who made the first courteous, if unsuccessful attempt to procue lifebelts for her and Miss Cherry, following the collision.
Molly Brown became a close friend of Emma Ward Bucknell during the trip, and spent most of her time attempting to dissuade the latter from dwelling on her premonition of impending disaster. The two ladies were table companions of Dr. Arthur Jackson Brewe, a Philadelphia physician.
Whilst it is almost certain that most passengers knew of the presence of Benjamin Guggenheim on board, it appears that he socialised only with his young mistress, Madame Aubert. There were, however, several first class passengers with whom the Guggenheims had close business asscoations, including Col. John Weir and William Hipkins, so Benjamin may have recognised them at least.
The same is true of the Strauses. Although most of their fellow passengers would have known of their presence on board, they apparently kept a low profile and dined alone. They did, however, spend a great deal of time with Col. Gracie and his "coterie", and knew fellow New Yorkers, Henry and Rene Harris, very well.
Hope this helps,
Ben
Leanne Rohrbach
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In general, did passengers on the Titanic befriend each other? I would think that the First Class more or less knew each other, or, at least had a social circle already established. And Third Class, quite a few different languages spoken. But perhaps Second Class, maybe, were a more outgoing sort? I know that's not the exact term I want to use.
I've been on a few cruise ships myself and even by the first night, I was able to find people that I spent the rest of the week with, most of the time. Of course, we weren't divided into classes either.
I've been on a few cruise ships myself and even by the first night, I was able to find people that I spent the rest of the week with, most of the time. Of course, we weren't divided into classes either.
Michael H. Standart
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>>In general, did passengers on the Titanic befriend each other?<<
Within their respective social/class circles, I tend to think they would have. The diversions and entertainments on the ship weren't even close to being as numerous as what you see on a modern cruise ship. The gym, squash court, Turkish baths, and the swimming bath were about it, and access to same was confined to the 1st Cabin. There really wasn't that much else to do then eat, (Oh boy, did they eat!) chat or read.
Shipping lines were more concerned with getting them from one side to another so they were quite content to offer a few diversions and then leave the passengers to their own devices.
Within their respective social/class circles, I tend to think they would have. The diversions and entertainments on the ship weren't even close to being as numerous as what you see on a modern cruise ship. The gym, squash court, Turkish baths, and the swimming bath were about it, and access to same was confined to the 1st Cabin. There really wasn't that much else to do then eat, (Oh boy, did they eat!) chat or read.
Shipping lines were more concerned with getting them from one side to another so they were quite content to offer a few diversions and then leave the passengers to their own devices.
Doni McLerran
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Yes, I know this is second class and not first class, but I'm rather inclined to think Father Byles and Father Peruschitz hung out together. They were both priests and nearly the same age (42 and 41 respectively). I can imagine Byles and Peruschitz probably had enough in common to hit it off pretty well. Father Peruschitz was from Germany, and Father Byles had spent time in Germany before he was ordained. Peruschitz assisted Byles at Mass at least once. Peruschitz and Byles were seen together in the second-class library by Lawrence Beesley. Both were on deck ministering to the passengers as the ship was sinking.
Arun Vajpey
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There have been suggestions that there might have been a bit more than just friendship between Archie Butt and Frank Millett. That probably is one reason why John Thayer Sr did not mind his wife being practically inseparable from Butt during the Wideners' dinner party that fateful Sunday.
On group I find very interesting is the father & son pair of Percival & Richard White befriending Elizabeth & Mary Lines, mother & daughter, during the voyage. They were in Cabins D26 and D28 respectively and might have been dinner table companions. Despite being First Class passengers, none of them come across as snooty and must have enjoyed each others' company. For some reason that I cannot explain, I would have liked to be the proverbial fly on the wall near their table.
Soon after the iceberg struck on Sunday, the men reportedly knocked on the ladies' cabin door, asked them to dress, helped them with their life vests and then onto Lifeboat #9. Both women survived but despite it being one of Murdoch's starboard lifeboats, neither man tried to get in and were lost in the sinking.
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